A divided nation asks: What's holding our country together?

Dutch Uncle said:
More. The Rule of 3s: https://www.backcountrychronicles.com/wilderness-survival-rules-of-3/ Notice politics isn't listed.
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I'm pretty sure democratic attitudes falls under politics.
In fact also concerned with the welfare of humanity, and strong moral ethical standards can be political too.
https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

Maslow (1970) identified 15 characteristics of a self-actualized person.


Characteristics of self-actualizers:
1. They perceive reality efficiently and can tolerate uncertainty;

2. Accept themselves and others for what they are;

3. Spontaneous in thought and action;

4. Problem-centered (not self-centered);

5. Unusual sense of humor;

6. Able to look at life objectively;

7. Highly creative;

8. Resistant to enculturation, but not purposely unconventional;

9. Concerned for the welfare of humanity;

10. Capable of deep appreciation of basic life-experience;

11. Establish deep satisfying interpersonal relationships with a few people;

12. Peak experiences;

13. Need for privacy;

14. Democratic attitudes;

15. Strong moral/ethical standards.
 
AssHatZombie said:
you have to have a politics that allows self actualization though. one that values the individual.
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Disagreed. Do you think a person imprisoned for life can become self-actualized?

What about Robert Stroud? As a 19 year old he murdered a man. 7 years into his 12 year sentence he murdered a guard. He never got out of prison and died at age 73 after 54 years in prison, 42 of those in solitary confinement. He was known both as the most dangerous man in prison and also a first-rate ornithologist and author. His story was popularized in both a book and on film as "The Birdman of Alcatraz". It took him a few years, but I think Robert Stroud become self-actualized behind bars.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You should try reading the entire link instead of cherry-picking from it. It's interesting.

Notice it's about self-actualization, not politics as you keep trying to make it.

“self-actualizing people have an unusual ability to detect the spurious, the fake, and the dishonest in personality, and in general to judge people correctly and efficiently” (Maslow, 1970).

Maslow suggests that this efficiency to detect falsehoods extended to many other areas of life, including, art, music, scientific matters and even politics. Self-actualizing people could spot inconsistencies or concealed realities more far more easily than the average person. "

Notice that he's trying to say self-actualized people are not blinded by racism, politics or anything that isn't rooted in reality and honesty.
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He was a Jew, Jews are usually against prejudices because they're so feminine & are sensitive about prejudices due to the Hollocaust.

However, It's pretty doubtful much of anybody feels as safe in a Black neighborhood at night.

Even Jesse Jackson said he felt more comfortable with a White person walking behind him at night than a Black person.

We're all prejudiced.

Even anti Racist Whites & Even Blacks get a stronger fear response in the amygdala when seeing a Black face rather than a White face.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. Do you think a person imprisoned for life can become self-actualized?

What about Robert Stroud? As a 19 year old he murdered a man. 7 years into his 12 year sentence he murdered a guard. He never got out of prison and died at age 73 after 54 years in prison, 42 of those in solitary confinement. He was known both as the most dangerous man in prison and also a first-rate ornithologist and author. His story was popularized in both a book and on film as "The Birdman of Alcatraz". It took him a few years, but I think Robert Stroud become self-actualized behind bars.
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they let him live to do bird shit in jail. they could have just shot him, had different politics been in play.

or he could have been aborted in wombat, due to a no child policy politic.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. Do you think a person imprisoned for life can become self-actualized?

What about Robert Stroud? As a 19 year old he murdered a man. 7 years into his 12 year sentence he murdered a guard. He never got out of prison and died at age 73 after 54 years in prison, 42 of those in solitary confinement. He was known both as the most dangerous man in prison and also a first-rate ornithologist and author. His story was popularized in both a book and on film as "The Birdman of Alcatraz". It took him a few years, but I think Robert Stroud become self-actualized behind bars.
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You're diagnosed with either OCD or Autism right?
 
RomanDmowski said:
He was a Jew, Jews are usually against prejudices because they're so feminine & are sensitive about prejudices due to the Hollocaust.

However, It's pretty doubtful much of anybody feels as safe in a Black neighborhood at night.

Even Jesse Jackson said he felt more comfortable with a White person walking behind him at night than a Black person.

We're all prejudiced.

Even anti Racist Whites & Even Blacks get a stronger fear response in the amygdala when seeing a Black face rather than a White face.
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Jesus Christ on a pogo-stick, kid. You have the tools in front of you and all you see is what you want to see.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You should try reading the entire link instead of cherry-picking from it. It's interesting.

Notice it's about self-actualization, not politics as you keep trying to make it.

“self-actualizing people have an unusual ability to detect the spurious, the fake, and the dishonest in personality, and in general to judge people correctly and efficiently” (Maslow, 1970).

Maslow suggests that this efficiency to detect falsehoods extended to many other areas of life, including, art, music, scientific matters and even politics. Self-actualizing people could spot inconsistencies or concealed realities more far more easily than the average person. "

Notice that he's trying to say self-actualized people are not blinded by racism, politics or anything that isn't rooted in reality and honesty.
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Being against politics & racism are " feel good" ideals.

They don't necessarily pan out in the logical real World.

I CAN bull sh1t here because things are shutdown due to Covid-19.

But, honestly we don't really achieve much here.
 
AssHatZombie said:
they let him live to do bird shit in jail. they could have just shot him, had different politics been in play.

or he could have been aborted in wombat, due to a no child policy politic.
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No kidding. Dead people aren't very good at self-actualization. You should pass that to your buddy SYT.
 
RomanDmowski said:
You're missing my point, that politics isn't a most basic of needs.
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No shit. That's what I've been saying despite your claims it was:
RomanDmowski said:
Maslow's pyramid of needs puts politics towards the top of needs.

For most people with mental illness that's true.

They're too busy coping with life to worry much about politics .

It's usually rich people doing nothing but sitting on cash who are the most enthralled with politics.

Like my parents. Not sure why.

They hate Trump. But in some ways sound like Republicans they are anti abortion, anti illegal & are increasingly tired of these crazy school taxes here & political correctness.

But, they are for Universal Healthcare & are environmentalists, and do support some gun control & are against wars.

But, I'm surprised how much the News changed them.

They are completely normal until the News comes on. Then they sometimes seem mentally ill.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Jesus Christ on a pogo-stick, kid. You have the tools in front of you and all you see is what you want to see.
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I agree with Maslow on certain hierarchy of needs

Some of it isn't logical.

It's touchy Feely.

Jews like West Euros often like cute feelings.

But, if the USA was more racist in the 80s we might have done much better for ourselves without Illegals busting unions & getting mad man Trump elected.
 
BidenPresident said:
Elections are meant to resolve arguments. This one inflamed them.

Weeks after the votes have been counted and the winners declared, many Americans remain angry, defiant and despairing. Millions now harbor new grievances borne of President Donald Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud. Many Democrats are saddened by results that revealed the opposition to be far more powerful than they imagined.

And in both groups there are those grappling with larger, more disquieting realizations: The foundations of the American experiment have been shaken — by partisan rancor, disinformation, a president’s assault on democracy and a deadly coronavirus pandemic.


https://apnews.com/article/election...rth-carolina-c331eaa4bfb954d5584d8c712eb0a7e8
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Fortunately the historical over 81 million voter, federal courts and SCOTUS ensured the country remains cohesive including Democracy versus efforts of Putin's puppet tRump, his sold out gutter republicans and a bunch of un American idiots who voted for the fake president tRump failing to have the upper hand. Like before when Democracy came under attack, the majority rose to the occasion to crush efforts of barbaric creatures who attempt to destroy Democracy and anything else of a civilized nature. If someone is so keen on the idea of America being a divided nation, leave and find a superior nation in the world that they can relate too and not worry about it.
 
RomanDmowski said:
I agree with Maslow on certain hierarchy of needs

Some of it isn't logical.

It's touchy Feely....
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Yet you brought up a touchy-feely side of psychology, Humanistic Psych, not Behaviorism which isn't touchy-feely. Why?

https://www.simplypsychology.org/perspective.html
Behaviorism is different from most other approaches because they view people (and animals) as controlled by their environment and specifically that we are the result of what we have learned from our environment. The behaviorist perspective is concerned with how environmental factors (called stimuli) affect observable behavior (called the response).

The behaviorist perspective proposes two main processes whereby people learn from their environment: namely classical conditioning and operant conditioning. Classical conditioning involves learning by association, and operant conditioning involves learning from the consequences of behavior.

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Humanistic psychology is a psychological perspective that emphasizes the study of the whole person (know as holism). Humanistic psychologists look at human behavior, not only through the eyes of the observer, but through the eyes of the person doing the behaving.

Humanistic psychologists believe that an individual's behavior is connected to his inner feelings and self-image. The humanistic perspective centers on the view that each person is unique and individual, and has the free will to change at any time in his or her life.

The humanistic perspective suggests that we are each responsible for our own happiness and well-being as humans. We have the innate (i.e., inborn) capacity for self-actualization, which is our unique desire to achieve our highest potential as people.
 
gemini104104 said:
Fortunately the historical over 81 million voter, federal courts and SCOTUS ensured the country remains cohesive including Democracy versus efforts of Putin's puppet tRump, his sold out gutter republicans and a bunch of un American idiots who voted for the fake president tRump failing to have the upper hand. Like before when Democracy came under attack, the majority rose to the occasion to crush efforts of barbaric creatures who attempt to destroy Democracy and anything else of a civilized nature. If someone is so keen on the idea of America being a divided nation, leave and find a superior nation in the world that they can relate too and not worry about it.
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Most countries are better than the United States. We're a shithole now
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yet you brought up a touchy-feely side of psychology, Humanistic Psych, not Behaviorism which isn't touchy-feely. Why?

https://www.simplypsychology.org/perspective.html
Behaviorism is different from most other approaches because they view people (and animals) as controlled by their environment and specifically that we are the result of what we have learned from our environment. The behaviorist perspective is concerned with how environmental factors (called stimuli) affect observable behavior (called the response).

The behaviorist perspective proposes two main processes whereby people learn from their environment: namely classical conditioning and operant conditioning. Classical conditioning involves learning by association, and operant conditioning involves learning from the consequences of behavior.

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Humanistic psychology is a psychological perspective that emphasizes the study of the whole person (know as holism). Humanistic psychologists look at human behavior, not only through the eyes of the observer, but through the eyes of the person doing the behaving.

Humanistic psychologists believe that an individual's behavior is connected to his inner feelings and self-image. The humanistic perspective centers on the view that each person is unique and individual, and has the free will to change at any time in his or her life.

The humanistic perspective suggests that we are each responsible for our own happiness and well-being as humans. We have the innate (i.e., inborn) capacity for self-actualization, which is our unique desire to achieve our highest potential as people.
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I do agree with Maslow on a hierarchy of needs.

Not so sure he is all correct.

However, it does appear Limousine Liberals adore Black people often, well do long as they don't have to live near them, that is.

Not sure if that's because they're looking for brownie points after achieving everything.
Or
They read too much Maslow & others like him.
 
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