A federal judge’s gag order against Trump may be satisfying. But it isn’t constituti

And the predictable and usual backpedaling begins. FLOL.

I did not read it = you read, now understand your mistake and won't repeat it again and will pretend that was not your position.

You are welcome PmP, as always.
I see your lips are flapping......do you still mistakenly think you are saying something relevant, shelf stocker?......perhaps you should read what the ACLU said.....I know you'll never take it from me, but if the prime lib'rul legal mouthpiece says you're a fucking idiot you really ought to pay attention......
 
I see your lips are flapping......do you still mistakenly think you are saying something relevant, shelf stocker?......perhaps you should read what the ACLU said.....I know you'll never take it from me, but if the prime lib'rul legal mouthpiece says you're a fucking idiot you really ought to pay attention......

OMG.

As a claimed lawyer you are still arguing that the ACLU by proclamation decides what a first amendment violation is and it is not Courts that do that?


How can you possibly be so stupid that you think a private advocacy group has that type of power in America.

No one is denying that they are OFFERING an OPINION, but only you believe it is a legal statement of FACT.

Fuck you are so stupid when it comes to law.

COURTS decide this stuff and NOT the ACLU.

A COURT will determine what the line is and NOT the ACLU, who will offer their opinion.

That you do not understand that distinction and keep saying 'but the ACLU said it therefore it is a legal fact' just shows how stupid you are.
 
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in Michigan they hold hearings on matters like that.....scheduled on a motion filed by the prosecutor. I'm sure the state of Georgia does the same for defendants not subject to kangeroo courts...

Yes, hold a hearing here also, but they can set such a hearing in Florida with 24 hours notice. I guess you got me, not anytime... but any time after 24 hour notice.
 
Yes, hold a hearing here also, but they can set such a hearing in Florida with 24 hours notice. I guess you got me, not anytime... but any time after 24 hour notice.

so you admit it wasn't an issue at Trump's pretrial.......I'm glad we agree that the idiot who claimed it was, turned out to be an idiot....
 
A federal judge’s gag order against Trump may be satisfying. But it isn’t constitutional



I certainly understand Chutkan’s desire to limit such speech, and this is obviously a unique case with no similar precedents. But basic 1st Amendment principles cast serious doubt on the judge’s order.



Although I often wish that Donald Trump would shut up, he has a constitutional right not to. A federal judge went too far in restricting his free expression Monday when she imposed a gag order on the former president.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is presiding over the Washington prosecution of Trump for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, ordered him to refrain from rhetoric targeting prosecutors and court personnel as well as inflammatory statements about likely witnesses.

Chutkan issued the order in response to a motion from special counsel Jack Smith. Trump has said on social media that Smith is “deranged,” that the judge is “a radical Obama hack” and that the court system is “rigged.” He has also attacked potential witnesses such as former Vice President Mike Pence.

“This is not about whether I like the language Mr. Trump uses,” Chutkan said in announcing her decision from the bench. “This is about language that presents a danger to the administration of justice.” She added that Trump’s presidential candidacy “does not give him carte blanche” to threaten public servants. The judge said that “1st Amendment protections yield to the administration of justice and to the protection of witnesses.”

I certainly understand Chutkan’s desire to limit such speech, and this is obviously a unique case with no similar precedents. But basic 1st Amendment principles cast serious doubt on the judge’s order.



The Supreme Court has long held that court orders prohibiting speech constitute “prior restraint” and are allowed only in extraordinary and compelling circumstances. In New York Times Co. vs. United States (1971), for example, the justices held that the courts could not constitutionally enjoin newspapers from publishing the Pentagon Papers, a history of America’s involvement in the Vietnam War. The Supreme Court held that there is a strong presumption against orders preventing speech.

Even more to the point, in Nebraska Press Assn. vs. Stuart (1976), the justices held that the courts can almost never keep the press from reporting on criminal cases, even when the goal is to protect a defendant’s right to a fair trial.


Although the Supreme Court hasn’t considered gag orders on parties to a case and their lawyers, the same strong presumption should apply against such prior restraints. What is particularly troubling about Chutkan’s order is that it seems primarily concerned with protecting prosecutors and court personnel from Trump’s vitriol. The law is clear that speech can’t be restricted to prevent government officials from being criticized or even vilified...

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Clearly the wacko DC Judge Tanya Chutkan does not know the Law.

The judge certainly knows the law a good deal better than you do. Your source's argument boils down to legal precedent barring prior restraint on "government officials". Court personnel, even judges and this judge is excluding herself from the gag order,
are not "officials", who are customarily defined as persons holding elected governmental office. Besides, the stated purpose of the order is the personal safety of court personnel and jurors credibly put at risk by Trump's tirades.
 
Read the article in his opinion the SC has already ruled on this type of issue. The government can't gag you because you hurt their wittle feelings :(

No one has the right to threaten members of the court or it's witnesses. What the fuck do you think a gag order is? Are you attempting to say any and all gag orders are unconstitutional?
 
The Constitution is not a theory, Anchovies. It's law. The 1st amendment is part of that law. A federal judge has NO authority to change the Constitution.

FOX news had to pay 787 million simply for what they were preaching. The 1st amendment does not give you the right to say anything you want.
 
FOX news had to pay 787 million simply for what they were preaching. The 1st amendment does not give you the right to say anything you want.

FOX will never pay that amount, it will be appealed and appealed until it's a fraction of the present amount.
 
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I'd happily toss him and Bribem in a wood chipper to slop pigs. Neither deserves the position they hold / held.

Another devout right winger that knows Trump is a fucking asshole. There are a lot of them. So many that the shithead does not have a credible chance at winning a general election.
 
No, he's only let 6+ million illegals into the country along with over 600,000 criminals, several thousand terrorists, tons of fentanyl that has killed nearly 100,000 Americans, and is doing zip point shit to try and stop it...

3 hour riot that did nothing vs the above. Biden is far, far worse.

Bullshit, the same was happening under every president for the past 40-50 years.
 
You are describing yourself and other Democrats.

You are describing DEMOCRATS.

Trump didn't steal any documents. Not a single one.

There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS.

And all by DEMOCRATS.

What an asshole. Responding to an ignorant shithead like you with anything reasonable is a waste of time. Trump will be found guilty and shitheads like you will still refuse to believe he did anything wrong.
 
FOX will never pay that amount, it will be appealed and appealed until it's fraction of the present amount.

FOX lost a 787 million dollar lawsuit for preaching their bullshit. How come they did not just say "it's freedom of speech, we can say anything we want"? Again, freedom of speech does not give you the right to say anything you want.
 
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