A Growing Volume Of Evidence Undercuts ‘Consensus’ Climate Science

I can top that, how about you discrediting the close to 20,000 studies reviewed on climate of which well over 90% concluded the existence of change and man's contribution

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

How come I know either a personal insult or attacking the source is about to follow?

Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

...in general “scientific consensus” is not related whatsoever to scientific truth as
countless examples in history have shown. “Consensus” is a political term, not a scientific term.
A consensus, exactly speaking a consensus about a hypothesis is a notion which lies outside natural science, since it is completely irrelevant for objective truth of a physical law:
Scientific consens(us) is scientific nonsense.
The problem of demarcation is how and where to draw lines around science, i.e. to distinguish science from religion, from pseudoscience, i.e. fraudulent systems that are dressed up
as science, and non-science in general [196, 198].

In the philosophy of science several approaches to the definition of science are discussed:
• empirism (Vienna Circle): only statements of empirical observations are meaningful, i.e. if a theory is verifiable, then it will be scientific;
• falsificationism (Popper): if a theory is falsifiable, then it will be scientific;
• paradigm shift (Kuhn): within the process of normal science anomalies are created which lead eventually to a crisis finally creating a new paradigm; the acceptance of a new paradigm by the scientific community indicates a new demarcation between science and pseudoscience;
• democratic and anarchist approach to science (Feyerabend):
science is not an autonomous form of reasoning but inseparable from the larger body of human thought and inquiry: “Anything goes”.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161.pdf

So what the article summarizes and apparently concludes is that a political term to describe a political term about a hypothesis is binding.
Wow.
 
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Funny, alloy did exactly as you predicted.
I knew some yahoo would say that. I should've predicted it'd be you, probably the (im)poster on this board with the least aptitude for comprehension of scientific articles, but I thought I was on your ignore. There was no attacking the source. Attacking the source would be attacking either iopscience.org or archives.
It's called debate and what I stated was counterpoint, using the G &T article as reference.:palm:
 
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So what the article summarizes and apparently concludes is that a political term to describe a political term about a hypothesis is binding.
Wow.

No, but the antithesis is pure idiocy. Look up two more non-scientific terms. Heterodoxy and orthodoxy. If one is going to admit to not having expertise in a subject, who cares, say plumbing or golf or fucking cooking
and 99 percent of the experts say keep your head down, stop buying Costco toilet paper and slowly whisk in the egg yolks, and one percent say stare at the sky, shove tampons down the drain and dump the egg shells in your sauce, respectively,
who the fuck are you going to listen to?

You need credible science to adopt a heterodox opinion in science. You have none. You have god in the gaps. That's all. You are on the dumbass side, as is cornholio and the rest of you conservatives, and that's a fact. Dumbass decision is not a scientific word of art, yet true here.
 
I can top that, how about you discrediting the close to 20,000 studies reviewed on climate of which well over 90% concluded the existence of change and man's contribution

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

How come I know either a personal insult or attacking the source is about to follow?
Well there you have all the nutters in one place. John Cook and Dana Nutterelli of 97% consensus and Skeptical Science notoriety plus Naomi Oreskes and Stephen Lewandowsky.

Not one of them is actually a climate scientist yet they speak as if they are, because you are not very bright you've just plucked that out of a random Google search. It tells me that you have no hinterland or scientific background and thus pray to the almighty consensus God for enlightenment.

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No, but the antithesis is pure idiocy. Look up two more non-scientific terms. Heterodoxy and orthodoxy. If one is going to admit to not having expertise in a subject, who cares, say plumbing or golf or fucking cooking
and 99 percent of the experts say keep your head down, stop buying Costco toilet paper and slowly whisk in the egg yolks, and one percent say stare at the sky, shove tampons down the drain and dump the egg shells in your sauce, respectively,
who the fuck are you going to listen to?

You need credible science to adopt a heterodox opinion in science. You have none. You have god in the gaps. That's all. You are on the dumbass side, as is cornholio and the rest of you conservatives, and that's a fact. Dumbass decision is not a scientific word of art, yet true here.
You're not really very bright, as witnessed by your continual use of the word heterodoxy, thinking that somehow gives you props where you patently have none.

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I knew some yahoo would say that. I should've predicted it'd be you, probably the (im)poster on this board with the least aptitude for comprehension of scientific articles, but I thought I was on your ignore. There was no attacking the source. Attacking the source would be attacking either iopscience.org or archives.
It's called debate and what I stated was counterpoint, using the G &T article as reference.:palm:
He claims that his dad was a nuclear engineer, in which case I can only assume that McDawber was exposed to a large dose of gamma rays when young.

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Let me summarize, I wholeheartedly adopt the consensus position on climate change, rocket science, brain surgery, quantum physics, super string theory, tying flies, and everything else I can't do so long as the topic is not metaphysical and at least oh, say 58 percent of the people who are versed agree.

To do otherwise is idiocy.
 
Let me summarize, I wholeheartedly adopt the consensus position on climate change, rocket science, brain surgery, quantum physics, super string theory, tying flies, and everything else I can't do so long as the topic is not metaphysical and at least oh, say 58 percent of the people who are versed agree.

To do otherwise is idiocy.
So which one of the four Representative Concentration Pathways (RCPs), outlined by the IPCC AR5 do you ascribe to and why?



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Is t that due to the melting of Greenland? If I remember reading at one time.

I've heard of the melt disrupting the thermohaline circulation (conveyor belt) but last I heard, about 6 or 7 years ago maybe there was no evidence of disruption and it remained conjecture.

I just googled for some insight on disruption but wikipedia was citing Peter Wadhams, LOL that's the guy who questioned the deaths of fellow scientists as possibly the work of big oil.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ED-astonishing-claim-Cambridge-professor.html

I haven't really studied this topic
 
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Is t that due to the melting of Greenland? If I remember reading at one time.

The AMO is roughly about 60 year cycle. 30 warming, 30 cooling. It's a build up of warm layers that get trapped beneath cooler water in the Atlantic (Cooling phase... due to difference in the density fresher vs saltier) and it get released (some point is reached where the warm water builds sufficiently)and warms the surface (warm phase) leading to warming of the continents. The Pacific does the same thing but on shorter time scales. The PDO

These are the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation
 
Tillerson, who is widely expected to depart the administration in the coming months, just might have accumulated enough goodwill during his decades at Exxon to withstand the reputational damage inflicted on him by Trump. But he soon may be facing his greatest challenge. In November 2015, New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman opened an investigation into Tillerson’s old stomping grounds, ExxonMobil, the fossil-fuel behemoth, and issued it a subpoena under which he demanded that the company provide him 39 years’ worth of internal documents, e-mails, and memos relating to its corporate understanding of climate change. The state attorney general is trying to determine if the company had for years knowingly deceived its shareholders and its regulators, as well as the public, about the impact of climate change, and climate-change regulations, on its financial performance and prospects.
Based on the documents received to date, Schneiderman seems to be of the view that Exxon had far more insight into the damaging effects on the climate of burning fossil fuels than it has ever admitted, and yet decided to continue to search for, refine, and sell billions of barrels of oil nonetheless. If Schneiderman decides to sue ExxonMobil—a decision he has not yet made—the ensuing litigation will likely deal Tillerson a far greater blow than anything he has endured under the thumb of Donald Trump.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...w-about/ar-AAu64cQ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp



dear fucking idiot


its so solid its part of major court cases as a FACT



fuck you very much

Deep pocket shakedown, baby!
 
So what the article summarizes and apparently concludes is that a political term to describe a political term about a hypothesis is binding.
Wow.

So now what we have is an arguememt of semantics

Let's use common sense, if a review of the literature of a particular theory studied by close to 20,000 individuals in that field shows that well over ninty percent of those people are in unison, in agreement on their explanation and conclusion, I think there exists a pretty high probability that that analysis is correct

Now, in the history of mankind it is pretty easy to show that there have been some exceptions, but credibility favors the majority especially when it is over nine out of every ten

And what you have done, which is commonly done by Flat Earthers, is take a study from a scientist who is not in the field of climate study and presented it as a axiom
 
That shut the arsehole up!!

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Why cause he read and mastered the semantics of a study and then presents it as if he knows what he is talking about? Given the opportunity and desire to waste time I think anyone can find and present a study contradicting any prevailing theory
 
So now what we have is an arguememt of semantics
Not at all. "Consensus" doesn't prove anything in science. Google 'scientific method' and you'll see nothing about consensus driving a hypothesis into theory, much less consensus driving a theory into a law.

“Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know
them. You must do the best you can—if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly
wrong—to explain it.” - Richard Feynman
Let's use common sense, if a review of the literature of a particular theory studied by close to 20,000 individuals in that field shows that well over ninty percent of those people are in unison, in agreement on their explanation and conclusion, I think there exists a pretty high probability that that analysis is correct
What theory are you talking about? If it's AGW, it's a hypothesis that has never been repeatable enough to become a theory. There may be a consensus on the hypothesis but that's irrelevant. The hypothesis test must be predictably repeatable to be a theory.
Now, in the history of mankind it is pretty easy to show that there have been some exceptions, but credibility favors the majority especially when it is over nine out of every ten
Some exceptions??? Countless. The consensus in medicine was to use leeches to blood-let for the cure of most anything. There was a consensus we had reached peak oil in 1970.
Off hand I can think of three things in particular that I was forced to regurgitate on tests in school that would be considered heresy today and malpractice if used.
And what you have done, which is commonly done by Flat Earthers, is take a study from a scientist who is not in the field of climate study and presented it as a axiom
I've already presented the credentials of Ligates. Yes he very much is in the field of climate study. As far as the 'field of climate study', it's an amalgam of different fields.
 
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So now what we have is an arguememt of semantics

Let's use common sense, if a review of the literature of a particular theory studied by close to 20,000 individuals in that field shows that well over ninty percent of those people are in unison, in agreement on their explanation and conclusion, I think there exists a pretty high probability that that analysis is correct

Now, in the history of mankind it is pretty easy to show that there have been some exceptions, but credibility favors the majority especially when it is over nine out of every ten

And what you have done, which is commonly done by Flat Earthers, is take a study from a scientist who is not in the field of climate study and presented it as a axiom
I won't waste my time with intellectual minnows like you, it's abundantly clear that you just parrot talking points gleaned from blogs like Skeptical Science.

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Not at all. "Consensus" doesn't prove anything in science. Google 'scientific method' and you'll see nothing about consensus driving a hypothesis into theory, much less consensus driving a theory into a law.

“Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know
them. You must do the best you can—if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly
wrong—to explain it.” - Richard Feynman
What theory are you talking about? If it's AGW, it's a hypothesis that has never been repeatable enough to become a theory. There may be a consensus on the hypothesis but that's irrelevant. The hypothesis test must be predictably repeatable to be a theory.
Some exceptions??? Countless. The consensus in medicine was to use leeches to blood-let for the cure of most anything. There was a consensus we had reached peak oil in 1970.
Off hand I can think of three things in particular that I was forced to regurgitate on tests in school that would be considered heresy today and malpractice if used.
I've already presented the credentials of Ligates. Yes he very much is in the field of climate study. As far as the 'field of climate study', it's an amalgam of different fields.

You are wasting your time trying to argue logically with people like him.

One of the articles of faith of the new despotism is that climate change is caused by human activity. It has to be an article of faith because there is no objective testable proof that this is the case, which is the normal requirement in science.

We are told instead that there is a‘consensus' or a‘vast majority' in favour of this belief. But scientific questions are not decided by majorities. They are decided by hard empirical evidence and experiments, repeatedly verified.

Precisely because it is a religious-like faith rather than a fact, a special intolerant fury is turned on any who publicly doubt it as can be seen here. What you are witnessing is scientology not science in action.

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