A Growing Volume Of Evidence Undercuts ‘Consensus’ Climate Science

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its not on you and the OIL MENS side asshole


no matter how many times you repeat those idiot talking points
 
Corazón, so true, you still smoking two packs a day? And I was glad to hear you used asbestos in all your rooms, don't worry about the dust, it won't harm you. You're a real man tough and you don't believe in science either. Go get em.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7799004-merchants-of-doubt


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

"Call it Corporate America vs. We the People. Globalization vs. Mother Earth. Privatization vs. the Public Good. Wall Street vs. Main Street. Plutocracy vs. Democracy. Which side are you on?" Scott McLarty http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/19-0
 
some of these idiots are paid to post



then russians didnt just learn this one


the world has seen this type of on the cheap propaganda before


Its just now on a new medium called the internets.


fools believe what they are told without question .


question everything on the internets

never just believe someone is what they say they are without proof


Its why I never try to pretendIm something I am nit on the internets or anywhere else for that matter.


Truth gives you power


those who lie will NEVER feel that power.


they will always be powerless to the truth.


they truely dont understand the real world.


they are lessor beings than those who tell the truth.


face the world with truth


if you dont


you never really see the real world.


your lies infect your world.


you will never GET IT.


pathetic creatures
 
I've heard of the melt disrupting the thermohaline circulation (conveyor belt) but last I heard, about 6 or 7 years ago maybe there was no evidence of disruption and it remained conjecture.

I just googled for some insight on disruption but wikipedia was citing Peter Wadhams, LOL that's the guy who questioned the deaths of fellow scientists as possibly the work of big oil.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ED-astonishing-claim-Cambridge-professor.html

I haven't really studied this topic
Greenland set the record for coldest July temperature ever reported in the Northern Hemisphere at -33C. However you won't see any mention of that in the NYT, WaPo, the BBC or the Guardian. Who will be the first to tell me that weather is not climate?









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Corazón, so true, you still smoking two packs a day? And I was glad to hear you used asbestos in all your rooms, don't worry about the dust, it won't harm you. You're a real man tough and you don't believe in science either. Go get em.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7799004-merchants-of-doubt


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

"Call it Corporate America vs. We the People. Globalization vs. Mother Earth. Privatization vs. the Public Good. Wall Street vs. Main Street. Plutocracy vs. Democracy. Which side are you on?" Scott McLarty http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/19-0

Holy fuck, when will people wake up and realise Naomi Oreskes is a massive fraud. She has no climate science background, she is a historian ffs, and Merchants of Doubt is a truly dire book full of dubious stats and propaganda. If you want to believe its contents then good for you, but don't expect me to read or see her bullshit.

Here is a real climate scientist clinically taking that book and the more recent film apart!!

https://judithcurry.com/2015/03/15/bankruptcy-of-the-merchants-of-doubt-meme/

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You are wasting your time trying to argue logically with people like him.

One of the articles of faith of the new despotism is that climate change is caused by human activity. It has to be an article of faith because there is no objective testable proof that this is the case, which is the normal requirement in science.

We are told instead that there is a‘consensus' or a‘vast majority' in favour of this belief. But scientific questions are not decided by majorities. They are decided by hard empirical evidence and experiments, repeatedly verified.

Precisely because it is a religious-like faith rather than a fact, a special intolerant fury is turned on any who publicly doubt it as can be seen here. What you are witnessing is scientology not science in action.

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Garbage

They are not decided by majorities, but they are confirmed or proven incorrect by the studies of others, you act as if the 97% usually quoted is the entity in itself rather than the survey of literature on the topic

Now you can add all your adolescent personal crap to cover your shortcomings
 
Not at all. "Consensus" doesn't prove anything in science. Google 'scientific method' and you'll see nothing about consensus driving a hypothesis into theory, much less consensus driving a theory into a law.

“Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know
them. You must do the best you can—if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly
wrong—to explain it.” - Richard Feynman
What theory are you talking about? If it's AGW, it's a hypothesis that has never been repeatable enough to become a theory. There may be a consensus on the hypothesis but that's irrelevant. The hypothesis test must be predictably repeatable to be a theory.
Some exceptions??? Countless. The consensus in medicine was to use leeches to blood-let for the cure of most anything. There was a consensus we had reached peak oil in 1970.
Off hand I can think of three things in particular that I was forced to regurgitate on tests in school that would be considered heresy today and malpractice if used.
I've already presented the credentials of Ligates. Yes he very much is in the field of climate study. As far as the 'field of climate study', it's an amalgam of different fields.

So then how does one define Science, seemingly according to you it is the last PHD

Of course exceptions exist, they exist in anything, even a broken clock is correct twice a day, silly to cite half of dozen over the course of mankind and generalize that that makes any consensus irrelevant

And your guy is a physicist, which is a step up from the other guy's geologist he keeps citing
 
Not at all. "Consensus" doesn't prove anything in science. Google 'scientific method' and you'll see nothing about consensus driving a hypothesis into theory, much less consensus driving a theory into a law.

“Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know
them. You must do the best you can—if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly
wrong—to explain it.” - Richard Feynman
What theory are you talking about? If it's AGW, it's a hypothesis that has never been repeatable enough to become a theory. There may be a consensus on the hypothesis but that's irrelevant. The hypothesis test must be predictably repeatable to be a theory.
Some exceptions??? Countless. The consensus in medicine was to use leeches to blood-let for the cure of most anything. There was a consensus we had reached peak oil in 1970.
Off hand I can think of three things in particular that I was forced to regurgitate on tests in school that would be considered heresy today and malpractice if used.
I've already presented the credentials of Ligates. Yes he very much is in the field of climate study. As far as the 'field of climate study', it's an amalgam of different fields.
Holy fuck, the late great Richard Feynman would have a field day laying into all the Cargo Cult science surrounding AGW. Fortunately we do have the likes of Freeman Dyson, the greatest living physicist and Richard Lindzen whose book Dynamics in Atmospheric Physics has become a standard textbook.

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Garbage

They are not decided by majorities, but they are confirmed or proven incorrect by the studies of others, you act as if the 97% usually quoted is the entity in itself rather than the survey of literature on the topic

Now you can add all your adolescent personal crap to cover your shortcomings
Richard Tol has contributed to the IPCC and is scathing about the nonsensus in that infamous John Cook study.

http://richardtol.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/now-almost-two-years-old-john-cooks-97.html?m=1



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The AMO is roughly about 60 year cycle. 30 warming, 30 cooling. It's a build up of warm layers that get trapped beneath cooler water in the Atlantic (Cooling phase... due to difference in the density fresher vs saltier) and it get released (some point is reached where the warm water builds sufficiently)and warms the surface (warm phase) leading to warming of the continents. The Pacific does the same thing but on shorter time scales. The PDO

These are the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation
This is way above their paygrades, you do know that don't you? See post 92.

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Garbage

They are not decided by majorities, but they are confirmed or proven incorrect by the studies of others, you act as if the 97% usually quoted is the entity in itself rather than the survey of literature on the topic

Now you can add all your adolescent personal crap to cover your shortcomings
So which one of the four Representative Concentration Pathways (RCPs), outlined by the IPCC AR5 do you ascribe to and why?

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Y. The default setting of any true scientist should be constant scepticism, especially when confronted with theories backed up with very little empirical evidence.

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Perhaps, but then again, YOU AREN'T ONE. And neither are we. So the default setting should be deference to the vast and overwhelming consensus of those who are, dumbass.

You have a chemistry degree from back in the stone ages and worked in IT according to you own unverifiable CV you gave here. You aren't a climate scientist at all. And no amount of blogging will EVER make you one. :palm:
 
You are wasting your time trying to argue logically with people like him.
Disagree. Look at this post in response to mine:
So then how does one define Science, seemingly according to you it is the last PHD

Of course exceptions exist, they exist in anything, even a broken clock is correct twice a day, silly to cite half of dozen over the course of mankind and generalize that that makes any consensus irrelevant

And your guy is a physicist, which is a step up from the other guy's geologist he keeps citing
The first sentence makes no sense, the second is patently false (6, really? lol) and the first part of the third doesn't rebut the any content, and the second part of the third makes no sense. "the other guy's geologist?" WTF is that?
This is pure babble.
Also read this:
you act as if the 97% usually quoted is the entity in itself rather than the survey of literature on the topic
Even if that 97% BS were true and unbiased the statement is patently false. It is not a "survey of literature on the topic" , it's a survey of the beliefs of authors.
I've never seen one article that actually concludes GW is caused by human activity. I'm sure one exists, just never seen it.
 
Perhaps, but then again, YOU AREN'T ONE. And neither are we. So the default setting should be deference to the vast and overwhelming consensus of those who are, dumbass.

You have a chemistry degree from back in the stone ages and worked in IT according to you own unverifiable CV you gave here. You aren't a climate scientist at all. And no amount of blogging will EVER make you one. :palm:

How many times are you going to say the same bullshit? Al Gore is not a scientist, he only scraped a D in science at Harvard. Bill Nye is not one either come to that. Naomi Oreskes is a historian, Stephen Lewandowsky is some kind of psychologist and there are many others who feel able to comment without any climate science qualifications. Even Gavin Schmidt, the head of the Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) is a mathematician by training. I asked you to comment constructively in post 91 but you failed to do so hence, to paraphrase our old friend Runatic, you can lick my balls.

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Disagree. Look at this post in response to mine:
The first sentence makes no sense, the second is patently false (6, really? lol) and the first part of the third doesn't rebut the any content, and the second part of the third makes no sense. "the other guy's geologist?" WTF is that?
This is pure babble.
Also read this:
Even if that 97% BS were true and unbiased the statement is patently false. It is not a "survey of literature on the topic" , it's a survey of the beliefs of authors.
I've never seen one article that actually concludes GW is caused by human activity. I'm sure one exists, just never seen it.

Oh I accept that there is an anthropogenic signal, many climate scientists are agreeing that Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) is of the order 1.2K for a doubling of CO2 concentration. So that is a doubling from around 280ppm at the start of the Industrial Revolution back in 1780 to 560ppm by 2080, in other words three centuries. Of course that won't scare anybody hence the need to invent various positive feedback mechanisms to ramp up temperatures increases to 4K and beyond, as predicted by the RCP 8.5 scenario aka the business as usual model.

http://notrickszone.com/2017/10/16/...e-trending-towards-zero/#sthash.r48awsDA.dpbs



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Let's cut all the BS and just deal with this:

- only a complete idiot would try and tell you that several CENTURIES of GLORBAL deforestation and urbanization coupled with increasing industrial waste emissions has little to no effect on the environment.

- no one is denying that the Earth has natural cycles of cooling and warming....the point here is that mankind has ARTIFICIALLY INDUCED elements into the mix that is having increased detrimental effects.
 
Let's cut all the BS and just deal with this:

- only a complete idiot would try and tell you that several CENTURIES of GLORBAL deforestation and urbanization coupled with increasing industrial waste emissions has little to no effect on the environment.

- no one is denying that the Earth has natural cycles of cooling and warming....the point here is that mankind has ARTIFICIALLY INDUCED elements into the mix that is having increased detrimental effects.
And because of fools who deny this, we are behind the game in dealing with it.
 
Let's cut all the BS and just deal with this:

- only a complete idiot would try and tell you that several CENTURIES of GLORBAL deforestation and urbanization coupled with increasing industrial waste emissions has little to no effect on the environment.

- no one is denying that the Earth has natural cycles of cooling and warming....the point here is that mankind has ARTIFICIALLY INDUCED elements into the mix that is having increased detrimental effects.
Yet paradoxically, the increase in atmospheric CO2 has resulted in a truly extraordinary re-greening effect. This is especially true in desert and arid areas of the planet.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/the-world-is-getting-greener-why-does-no-one-want-to-know/

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Yet paradoxically, the increase in atmospheric CO2 has resulted in a truly extraordinary re-greening effect. This is especially true in desert and arid areas of the planet.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/the-world-is-getting-greener-why-does-no-one-want-to-know/

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55 Benefits of Atmospheric CO2
Enrichment
Air Pollution Stress (Non

Ozone)
Air Pollution Stress (Ozone)
Avoiding Human Starvation and
Plant and Animal Extinctions
Bacteria
Biodiversity
Biogenic Vo
latile Organic Compounds
Biomass
C4 Plants
CAM Plants
Carbon
Sequestration
Diseases of Plants
Early Growth
Earthworms
Evolution
Flowers
Fluctuating Asymmetry
Glomalin
Health
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Promoting Substances
Herbivory
Hormones
Human Longevity
Human Mortality (All Causes)
Human Mortality (Cardiovascular)
Human Mortality
(Respiratory)
Iodocompounds
Isoprene
Light Stress
Lipids
Medicinal Plants
Monoterpenes
Nectar
Net Primary Productivity
Nitrogen Fixation
Nutrient Acquisition
Phosphorus Acquisition
Photosynthesis
Progressive Nitrogen Limitation
Reactive Oxygen Species
Root Exudation
Root Production
Salinity Stress
Seeds
Soil Erosion
Soil Toxicity
Starch
Tannins
Temperature Stress
Thylakoid Membranes
Transpiration
UV
-
B Radiation Stress
Vegetative Storage Proteins
Water Stress
Water
-
Use Efficiency
Weeds
Wood Density
http://www.co2science.org/education/book/2011/55BenefitsofCO2Pamphlet.pdf
 
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