Sheesh, the ten billionth thread where a bunch of dudes debate the degree of regulation and criminalization we need to impose on women’s reproductive organs. I wonder why we hardly ever see women partaking in these exciting debates? While I can’t put myself in their shoes, I guess I’d be kind of creeped out if women were constantly debating the regulation and criminalization of male reproductive biology………..
Pro Choice. I'm pro choice, especially on things like a parents choice on where they send their child to school, ie vouchers, but most "pro choices" are anti-choice there. I'm pro choice on whether people should be able to determine their own retirement and opt out of the government's ponzi bullshit, but most who claim to be "pro choice" are not in favor of honest hard working people having the ability to have that choice. I'm pro choice on whether people should be allowed run their businesses in any way they please, even if it means allowing someone to smoke a cigarette in the bar that I built, slaved over and own. Most "Pro choice" people oppose that choice. I'm pro choice when it comes to allowing people to agree to terms of a service or product and a price, but most "pro choicers" oppose the free exchange without government intervention on every level.
Take your "pro choice" bullshit and shove it down your cock sucking throat. Anti choice? Look in the mirror you utter buffoon. Wait until you have to fend for yourself. Daddy's blanket isn't always going to be around fool. Ivory tower liberals. Whadda joke.
Thanks for playing another exciting round of
”Really Bad Analogies”. Here’s a tip Beefy; liberals don’t consider personal privacy and medical decisions involving one’s own body, to be analogous to taxes, school vouchers, or workplace smoking regulations. In fact, liberals don’t consider them to be in the same universe at all.
You don’t have a right to not be taxed. Taxes are legitimate constitutional legal and policy issues and are subject to legislation via our democratic institutions. With regard to workplace smoking, a lot of people (not just liberals) feel the employee is entitled to a certain level of workplace safety. If you feel you should appropriately expose your employees to cigarette smoke in enclosed environments, that’s fine. We have democratic institutions for you to shape public policy with regard to work place safety regulations. A lot of liberals, like Caesar Chavez, worked their ass off to make sure employees have access to bathrooms, to safe work conditions, or to not be exposed to carcinogens at work. But those rules are all subject to change through our democratic institutions. I’d be more than happy to have the rightwing parties of this country run on a platform to eliminate Medicare, social security, wage laws, and workplace safety regulations. Let’s have an election on that, I’d be more than happy to. That would be an awesome election.
I think where you went off the rail here, is to equate taxes and wage regulations with a personal right to privacy and control over one’s own body. Liberals and most moderates don’t even consider those to be close to being the same thing. In fact, they are almost polar opposites. Most people, and the Supreme Court, agree that there’s a fundamental right to privacy with regard to one’s own body and medical decisions. As far as I can tell, there’s never been a legitimate debate about the constitutional right of our duly elected officials to levy taxes or promulgate workplace wage and safety regulations. Except maybe on Redstate.org and LyndonLarouche.org. I don’t think most people conflate personal privacy with taxes.
As for late term abortion “on demand”; I’m no expert on it. But I assume women who get them, and the doctors who consent to do them, always do it for health and medical reasons. I don’t think there’s a single documented case of a woman, in collusion with her doctor, killing the fetus for the sheer joy of it. But, I could be wrong. Maybe the rightwing blogs have numerous, actual documented cases of this happening.
