A question for Democrats and Republicans:

[Ichabod Stain]

First the poster was talking about something completely different. He suggested Democrats will be winning elections for some time because of Trump. Not likely.

As to dems opinion of trump, no offense but, it's kind of like listening to an arabs give their opinion of a Jew. It could hardly be considered and objective opinion

they won't.

they still will not disavow transing minors.

its like they love trump the most.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Never heard that argument. Make it, thanks.

So, you don't know do you?

 

[Hume]

Why do we use health insurance to pay for it instead of just paying as we go? Please don't say something utterly stupid like "Because it's so expensive..."

Because we are civilized and want a healthy nation. Like pretty much the entire world besides the US.

 

[Hume]

So, you don't know do you?

Please refrain from childish waste of time antics. It is boring.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Because we are civilized and want a healthy nation. Like pretty much the entire world besides the US.

No, that's not it.

 

[Yakuda]

Okay. But just want to reiterate: He is, in my opinion, THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER TO SERVE WHILE I HAVE BEEN ALIVE...and from what history I have read, he is BY FAR THE WORST WE HAVE EVER HAD.

I am not pretending that I do not hate him...I simply do not hate him. I refuse to hate a fellow human. I accept him as my president...just as I have accepted as my president the other people who have been elected to that office...even the ones I was not crazy about.

Good as long as we recognize its your opinion. Who writes the history makes all the difference.

If the left accepted him as president they wouldnt reject everything he does. Securing the border for example shouldnt be an issue Americans fight about especially for those who claim to love the rule of law.

 

[LurchAddams]

Yet comrade stooge, Republicans hold all three branches of the federal government, the overwhelming majority state governors, and are heavily favored to win the governorship in the Peoples Republic of California.

Sounds more like you're a partisan blowhard rather than Republicans being "unelectable," given that they are elected more often than you Communists are.

What are going to do when you have to start using proper pronouns? Cry?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Neither.

C'mon, TA...you know that is nonsense.

Neither means that there ARE two plans. Only one has been articulated and passed as a bill. Trump's "plan" is to come up with a plan in two weeks. By now, everyone knows that "in two weeks" is Trump speak for "never."

Obama came up with a plan and got it passed in the congress. It was helping many people to get coverage.

I think Obamacare was a plan concocted in part by insurance companies in collusion with government to get them subsidized--heavily--while FORCING people into the system.

Okay, that is what you think. President Obama and the Congress think differently...and finally did something about it. It was far from a perfect solution to a problem you seem to want to dismiss. Not sure why so many of you otherwise decent folk want to be dismissive of this horrendous problem, but you are WRONG.

Since Trump has been promising something better for over a decade and come up with NOTHING, I suggest that he may be just pulling your (collective) chains.

Trump's plan is no better. It too heavily involves government as a solution.

WHAT PLAN????????????????

Government created this problem.

Government did not create this problem. People have been in need of medical care since people first became people.

What are you talking about here?

Government has made it far worse. More government involvement won't solve it.

You are promoting the Right Wing fantasy of government being bad.

Government is necessary for society to function. Sometimes it gets into the wrong hands (as it has just now in the United States), but mostly it is a necessary function of civilization.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Good as long as we recognize its your opinion. Who writes the history makes all the difference.

If the left accepted him as president they wouldnt reject everything he does. Securing the border for example shouldnt be an issue Americans fight about especially for those who claim to love the rule of law.

We disagree on the issue we were discussing, Yakuda. Apparently we will continue to do so.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Sounds like a decent plan.



Okay.


It is very different. If you actually cannot see the differences, something is wrong. If you mean it, as I suspect you do, in an analogous way, you are wording it wrong.


I consider your comments here to be nonsense. There are good and compelling reasons for much of the criticism directed at him. I can say for myself, personally, that I have never felt the revulsion I feel toward him...toward any other president. And as I have mentioned previously, one-third of ALL the presidents we've ever had have served during my lifetime. He is close to stupid, certainly the least intelligent president in the past century; he is not curious; he has an abominable personality; he is incautious (which is seriously dangerous in a president); his choice of a cabinet would not pass muster with an editor if it were presented in a fiction novel...and the list could go on for pages.

YOU may not see his defects as worthy for the contempt so man people feel towards him, but it is certainly more justified than much of the scorn and contempt people from your side of the aisle feel toward people like Obama, Biden, or Harris.



Well, then I suggest you re-read that last sentence I wrote...and muse on it for a bit.

you don't hate him for the war.

you hate him for his tariffs and border enforcement.

you're actually jealous you couldn't be the ones to suck bebe's dick hardest and longest.

 

[ZenMode]

If, during the primary elections, you deem some candidates to be more competent than their opponents, but less electable***...would you be more inclined to vote for the more competent person to be your party's nominee...or for the more electable one?

Essentially what I am looking for is: Is electability your major criteria for your vote...or is electability.


***As a "for instance"...younger white males are often considered to have an electability advantage over female or non-white persons.

I think I've only voted in two primary elections in my lifetime. One of them was 2016 when I really wanted Ted Cruz to be the nominee over Trump, who I thought would be an embarrassment to the country. At the time, Ted met the most criteria of any candidate that had a chance to win over Trump. So, I'd have to say I voted to keep someone out of office. I think if I voted in the primary now, it would be because of major criteria.

I probably won't vote in the 2028 primary

 

[Yakuda]

We disagree on the issue we were discussing, Yakuda. Apparently we will continue to do so.

The issue is your feelings for trump. You said you felt revulsion for him. Thats not pity. I have absolutely no respect for obama or Biden but I don't feel revulsion: noun 1. A sense of disgust and loathing. Isn't loathing just another way of saying hate?

 

[Ross Dolan]

The issue is your feelings for trump. You said you felt revulsion for him. Thats not pity. I have absolutely no respect for obama or Biden but I don't feel revulsion: noun 1. A sense of disgust and loathing. Isn't loathing just another way of saying hate?

Yakuda...if you truly want to think that I hate Trump, please do so. I am telling you that I do not. If by some very remote happenstance I should come upon him where he needed help and comfort in order to deal with a critical situation, I would offer my help and comfort in a New York second.

You seem unable to understand that. I guess I should offer you some pity also, because it is not that difficult a concept.

 

[Yakuda]

Yakuda...if you truly want to think that I hate Trump, please do so. I am telling you that I do not. If by some very remote happenstance I should come upon him where he needed help and comfort in order to deal with a critical situation, I would offer my help and comfort in a New York second.

You seem unable to understand that. I guess I should offer you some pity also, because it is not that difficult a concept.

I was merely referring to the phrase you used, you said you felt revulsion for him. I gave you the definition. Was that just hyperbole or a slip of the tongue. Words have meaning. Maybe you would like to rethink the phrases you use?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

C'mon, TA...you know that is nonsense.

Neither means that there ARE two plans. Only one has been articulated and passed as a bill. Trump's "plan" is to come up with a plan in two weeks. By now, everyone knows that "in two weeks" is Trump speak for "never."

Obama came up with a plan and got it passed in the congress. It was helping many people to get coverage.

Obama came up with nothing. Congress in collusion with the insurance industry came up with a plan. Obama just signed off on it. I can remember when he finally tried to get some Republicans onboard with the plan and in a meeting that was videoed, Paul Ryan tore the plan apart with solid accounting data and the like as Obama sat there with a look on his face that was combination I can't follow any of this, and I am royally pissed off! This fucker is making me look stupid!

Okay, that is what you think. President Obama and the Congress think differently...and finally did something about it. It was far from a perfect solution to a problem you seem to want to dismiss. Not sure why so many of you otherwise decent folk want to be dismissive of this horrendous problem, but you are WRONG.

It made things worse. That is ALL Obamacare did. It made things worse.

Since Trump has been promising something better for over a decade and come up with NOTHING, I suggest that he may be just pulling your (collective) chains.

I suspect that it's far down his 'To Do' list and not a priority. Obama wanted a big flashy social-welfare program score in the mold of the New Deal, or Great Society (both largely failures too)

Government did not create this problem. People have been in need of medical care since people first became people.

Yes, government did create this problem. FDR created it in fact. When the US entered WW 2, FDR passed wage and price controls on all of US industry. At the same time, there was a massive labor shortage. Employers in order to get the workers they needed resorted to alternate income in other forms as an incentive to workers. Those incentives included, free healthcare / health insurance, free or low-cost meals at a cafeteria (got around rationing limits for workers), bus or other employer provided transportation to and from work, low-cost housing, and the like.

When the war ended many of these slowly disappeared. The health insurance one stayed in place. Over time, this expanded as employers found prospective employees expected it.

So, yes, government DID create this problem in its entirety.

What are you talking about here?

That prior to WW 2, Americans paid directly for healthcare. After WW 2 and FDR's wage and price controls, employer provided health insurance became the norm.

You are promoting the Right Wing fantasy of government being bad.

Government isn't "bad," so much as government is incompetent. Government is the worse way to do just about anything, but sometimes it's the only way possible.

Government is necessary for society to function. Sometimes it gets into the wrong hands (as it has just now in the United States), but mostly it is a necessary function of civilization.

Yes, government is necessary for a society to function. It usually grows over time and becomes increasingly intrusive and oppressive to the society it was meant to serve. Therefore, the people need to keep their collective boot on its neck and make sure government knows its place and doesn't get out of control.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You really are not intelligent.

You trying and failing to bullshit your way through makes me stupid? How does that work exactly, Comrade?

Health care as a for profit system prevents government from making it universal.

Obama's fascist care ensures that partners with the state, Kaiser, Humana, Blue Cross, and Cigna, have absolute control over health insurance. Oddly enough, these were also the corporations that spent billions promoting Fascist Care.

These government partners partners can gouge at any rates they desire, with tax payers picking up the tab through so-called "subsidies," because Fascist Care has quintupled the cost of health insurance, meaning that literally no one can afford it without the government kicking a large portion.

The Fascism that you of Team Evil put in place has nothing in common with capitalism and free markets.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because we are civilized and want a healthy nation. Like pretty much the entire world besides the US.

Because Team Evil is greedy and wants to raid the national treasury. Using a fascist health insurance system has allowed Team Evil to steal with both hands.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What are going to do when you have to start using proper pronouns? Cry?

Put the crack pipe down Comrade Stooge.

I know that I mopped the floor with you again and you have no rational retort - but that is the normal state of affairs.

 

[Yakuda]

C'mon, TA...you know that is nonsense.

Neither means that there ARE two plans. Only one has been articulated and passed as a bill. Trump's "plan" is to come up with a plan in two weeks. By now, everyone knows that "in two weeks" is Trump speak for "never."

Obama came up with a plan and got it passed in the congress. It was helping many people to get coverage.


Okay, that is what you think. President Obama and the Congress think differently...and finally did something about it. It was far from a perfect solution to a problem you seem to want to dismiss. Not sure why so many of you otherwise decent folk want to be dismissive of this horrendous problem, but you are WRONG.

Since Trump has been promising something better for over a decade and come up with NOTHING, I suggest that he may be just pulling your (collective) chains.



WHAT PLAN????????????????



Government did not create this problem. People have been in need of medical care since people first became people.

What are you talking about here?


You are promoting the Right Wing fantasy of government being bad.

Government is necessary for society to function. Sometimes it gets into the wrong hands (as it has just now in the United States), but mostly it is a necessary function of civilization.

I agree people need medical care, what I havent heard yet however is a coherent and rational explantion for why the govt has to provide it.

 

[Yakuda]

Put the crack pipe down Comrade Stooge.

I know that I mopped the floor with you again and you have no rational retort - but that is the normal state of affairs.

Ask it what a proper pronoun is.