A search and rescue operation is underway for a submarine touring the wreckage of the

Cypress said:
It may have been capitalism that killed these people.

There is reporting in the NY Times that the CEO of Oceangate bypassed industry standards of Independent inspection and testing in a rush to push this submersible into service to take rich tourists down to see the wreck. 250k per tourist.
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A former employee was concern about cost cutting and cutting corners at Oceangate and was fired too?!! There are a couple of billionaires on this sub, they could have purchased Triton Submersibles, they make the best submersibles in the world in my opinion?!! They make sub for exploring the Titanic, it's the TRITON 13000/2 TITANIC EXPLORER, cost 15 million dollars?!!

https://tritonsubs.com/subs/gullwing/

In 2019 a man went to the deepest part of all five oceans in the TRITON 36000/2 FULL OCEAN DEPTH, cost 50 million dollars?!!

https://tritonsubs.com/subs/t36000-2/

So from 300 feet to pass 36,000 feet you can't go wrong in a Triton Submersible?!!
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That's some damn good acrylic too?!!
 
Cypress said:
It may have been capitalism that killed these people.

There is reporting in the NY Times that the CEO of Oceangate bypassed industry standards of Independent inspection and testing in a rush to push this submersible into service to take rich tourists down to see the wreck. 250k per tourist.
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I wonder if the waiver they signed will be void because of this?
 
Doc Dutch said:
There's a high probability of that being true, IMO.

A 3D rendering of the ARA San Juan on the bottom at about 3,000'. It's relatively intact but crushed.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019/march/tragic-loss-ara-san-juan
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The San Juan should have never been used at all, Argentina was not willing/able to spend enough to operate subs safely, so they should not have subs. Currently they dont.

We are hearing that this submersible here likewise was not fit for purpose, and that a lot of people knew it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The San Juan should have never been used at all, Argentina was not willing/able to spend enough to operate subs safely, so they should not have subs. Currently they dont.

We are hearing that this submersible here likewise was not fit for purpose, and that a lot of people knew it.
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The Libyans used to have a couple of Russian Foxtrot diesel subs. They were just for show and were smart enough to never take them down. They'd just sail them across the Gulf of Sidra from Tripoli to Benghazi and back.

If Oceangate violated laws and regulations, it's going to crush them.
 
Phantasmal said:
I wonder if the waiver they signed will be void because of this?
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I don't know.

From what I read, Oceangate does not have to legally comply with any American regulations or industry-standard testing and verification processes. At least the submersible doesn't. The submersible is used outside United States territorial waters and jurisdiction. They claim to have done their own internal testing that exceeds industry standards, but no independent entity has confirmed that.
 
Cypress said:
I don't know.

From what I read, Oceangate does not have to legally comply with any American regulations or industry-standard testing and verification processes. At least the submersible doesn't. The submersible is used outside United States territorial waters and jurisdiction. They claim to have done their own internal testing that exceeds industry standards, but no independent entity has confirmed that.
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We can expect that this goes the same place as allowing Big Pharma to run their own drug trials goes.
 
I wish people would quit doing this kind of thrill seeker shit.

It's bad enough what ends up happening to them, but the rest of us have to haunted by thoughts of what they must've gone through.

I'm thinking maybe they all died from hypothermia before having a chance to suffocate.
 
Nomad said:
I wish people would quit doing this kind of thrill seeker shit.

It's bad enough what ends up happening to them, but the rest of us have to haunted by thoughts of what they must've gone through.

I'm thinking maybe they all died from hypothermia before having a chance to suffocate.
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You obviously haven't experienced being around death. Part of it is the maxim about living life to its fullest rather than cowering in fear of what might happen. Sure there's stupid things like "road surfing", but safer and exciting things like bunji jumping, sky diving and scuba diving.

Odds favor instant death from an implosion several thousand feet down.
 
Cypress said:
I don't know.

From what I read, Oceangate does not have to legally comply with any American regulations or industry-standard testing and verification processes. At least the submersible doesn't. The submersible is used outside United States territorial waters and jurisdiction. They claim to have done their own internal testing that exceeds industry standards, but no independent entity has confirmed that.
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An employee who had concerns if it was safe was fired.
 
The plot thickens

Not only was the pilot of the missing sub CEO Richard Stockton Rush, but he was sued for fraud. The vessel construction safety seems to center on it being made of carbon-fiber, a relatively untested material for this usage.

https://thehill.com/homenews/406146...e-ceo-months-before-submersible-went-missing/
Florida couple sued OceanGate CEO months before submersible went missing
Months before an OceanGate Expeditions submersible went missing in the North Atlantic after embarking on a visit to see the wreckage of the Titanic, a Central Florida couple filed a lawsuit against the company, alleging fraud, according to documents....

...The Hagles’ sued OceanGate’s CEO Richard Stockton Rush for alleged fraud, saying his company “knowingly strung them along even though he knew the vessel was not ready to take the trip and wouldn’t give them a refund.” Rush is one of the five people on board the missing sub...

...Newly uncovered allegations also suggest there had been significant warnings made about vessel safety during its development.”
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Nomad said:
I wish people would quit doing this kind of thrill seeker shit.

It's bad enough what ends up happening to them, but the rest of us have to haunted by thoughts of what they must've gone through.

I'm thinking maybe they all died from hypothermia before having a chance to suffocate.
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They were all crushed in milliseconds, totally painless!

Alive one millisecond, dead the next': Former Navy doctor reveals exactly what would've happened during Titanic Five's tragic final moment - saying 'they would've been crushed instantly'

https://mol.im/a/12224667 via https://dailym.ai/android
 
serendipity said:
They were all crushed in milliseconds, totally painless!

Alive one millisecond, dead the next': Former Navy doctor reveals exactly what would've happened during Titanic Five's tragic final moment - saying 'they would've been crushed instantly'

https://mol.im/a/12224667 via https://dailym.ai/android
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Agreed. They never knew what hit them. As one expert pointed out; it takes the human nervous system 4 nanoseconds to process pain. What happened to them took 2 nanoseconds. It's "Being alive one moment and in the presence of the Lord the next".
 
serendipity said:
They were all crushed in milliseconds, totally painless!

Alive one millisecond, dead the next': Former Navy doctor reveals exactly what would've happened during Titanic Five's tragic final moment - saying 'they would've been crushed instantly'
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I'm sure that's all true.

I used to work with a guy who had served on a submarine crew in the USN.

He told me all about that subject during the course of many conversations.

But my post was created when it was still thought that they might still be alive, trapped inside an underwater tomb.

What I'm wondering is what, if anything, remains of their bodies.

Or if they just became soup that blended with the ocean and floated away.

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Nomad said:
I'm sure that's all true.

I used to work with a guy who had served on a submarine crew in the USN.

He told me all about that subject during the course of many conversations.

But my post was created when it was still thought that they might still be alive, trapped inside an underwater tomb.

What I'm wondering is what, if anything, remains of their bodies.

Or if they just became soup that blended with the ocean and floated away.

.
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When the CIA raised part of K-129 a Russian submarine that sunk in 16,000 feet of water, they found six bodies inside the wreckage?!! The bodies were reburied at sea with honors?!!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

The reburial

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/..._Submariners_from_Hughes_Glomar_Explorer.webm
 
signalmankenneth said:
When the CIA raised part of K-129 a Russian submarine that sunk in 16,000 feet of water, they found six bodies inside the wreckage?!! The bodies were reburied at sea with honors?!!

azorian-diagram.png


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

The reburial

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/..._Submariners_from_Hughes_Glomar_Explorer.webm
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More like body parts since, like the Titan, the K-129 imploded. Implosion would, as the link below notes, "disintegrate" human bodies.

https://whathowtowhy.com/what-happened-to-the-bodies-on-the-titan-sub/
Details In Short:
  • Incident: Titan submersible imploded during Titanic wreckage mission.
  • Crew Fate: Fate of five crew members unknown.
  • Depth: Submersible submerged at 12,500 feet in North Atlantic.
  • Immediate Trauma: Crew experienced instant trauma from pressure change.
  • Disintegration: Crew bodies disintegrated under immense water pressure.
  • Slow Decomposition: Deep-sea decomposition affected by low temperature, high pressure, and lack of sunlight.
  • Preservation: Cold temperatures preserve bodies, slowing decomposition.
  • Scavengers: Hagfish, amphipods, and rat-tail fish aid decomposition of crew remains.
  • Burial in Sediment: Skeletal remains likely buried in seafloor sediment.
  • Ecosystem Contribution: Crew remains contribute to nutrient recycling in ocean ecosystem.
  • Recovery Challenges: Retrieving bodies from extreme depths is challenging, ongoing investigations underway.
  • Reflection: Fate of crew underscores risks and sacrifices in human exploration.
 
So the Coast Guard spend load of assets "In a frantic search for survivors" when they knew everyone was dead.

YEP, that sounds like our military.
 
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