Abortion Follies: Texas style

[gfm7175]

One of the reasons why I have the waste of space on IA. You've got stamina, kid.

Does baby need his paci??

 

[Into the Night]

How can I correct them if you can't explain them to me?

Your inability to explain how my statement is a fallacy points to your using the fallacy fallacy. Someone that was recognizing actual fallacies would be able to point out where the fallacy occurred.

I don't need to explain them to you. These are YOUR fallacies. Denial of logic. Redefinition fallacy. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

Since you can't tell us what authority Christ has that would reaffirm that your question was a petitio principii. A reasonable and intelligent person would have simply told us what the authority was. A person that was using a fallacy would attempt to change the subject by using a red herring fallacy such as a fallacy fallacy.

I don't need to tell you. Read the Bible.
Fallacy fallacy. Inversion fallacy. RQAA. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

Lighten up, Sybil. I wrote both "I do not take any as commandments from supernatural figures by the mere fact the Bible was written and edited by man. Man is imperfect and subject to error" and this:

Why can't you face the truth of what I actually wrote, Sybil? What in my writings is denying "the contents of the Bible"? Can you answer the question like a sane person.

Who is this Sybil?

RQAA. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

GFM7175 (whatever the hell that means) has earned permanent IA status with this response.

Good for you gfm! You made another one run away!

Here are the highlight/corner stone of the stunning stupidity he thinks are witty and sharp take downs of what I post:

Facts are not universal truths nor proofs, moron. Learn what a fact is.

He is correct. A fact is not a proof nor a Universal Truth. A fact is an assumed predicate. The instant someone disagrees with a fact, it is no longer a fact. It becomes an argument.

This ranks right up there with former Cheeto Jeezus

Who is Cheeto Jeezus???

For our little right wing bird's education per Merriam-Webster:

False authority fallacy. No dictionary defines any word. No dictionary owns any word.

FACT
- a thing that is known or proved to be true.
- the truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

...deleted insults...

WRONG. A fact is an assumed predicate. No proof. No Universal Truth.

It is a fact, for example, that Hobbits have hairy feet. This fact comes from a book of fiction. There is no proof. There is no Universal Truth involved. I assume you have read enough Tolkien to accept this fact.
...or do you want to turn it into an argument?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I don't need to explain them to you. These are YOUR fallacies. Denial of logic. Redefinition fallacy. Trolling.

Since I don't think I committed any fallacies, the only way for me to learn is for you to explain how it was a fallacy. Since you can't explain it that would mean you are simply using the fallacy fallacy to avoid the topics.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

It is a fact, for example, that Hobbits have hairy feet. This fact comes from a book of fiction. There is no proof. There is no Universal Truth involved. I assume you have read enough Tolkien to accept this fact.
...or do you want to turn it into an argument?

It is not a fact that Hobbits have hairy feet. It has never been a fact that they have hairy feet. It is a fact that Tolkien said they have hairy feet. Only a complete fool would claim Tolkien's fiction was a fact. But then we all know what you are.

 

[Nordberg]

A fact is something that is proven o prima facie or assumed to be true. That someone does not think it is true, means nothing.
You are confusing a theory with fact. A theory can be killed if there is new evidence that refutes it. Then it must be scrapped or rewritten. But a theory is not a fact. However, a theory has to make testible predictions. It has to fit all the evidence. Every theory does exactly that.

 

[Wolverine]

You've gotten some really bad info. Here are the facts.

"During the first few weeks of pregnancy, your tiny embryo is shaped like a flat disk. By 5 weeks, two tubes that will become the heart have formed. The two tubes fuse together and blood flows through this tubular "heart" as it begins to beat.

Between 6 and 7 weeks, the heart tube twists and bends into an S shape. The bottom of the tube moves up and toward the back and will form the two upper heart chambers (atria). The top of the tube will form the two lower heart chambers (ventricles) as well as the large vessels that transport blood from the heart.

By 9 weeks, the four chambers of the heart are formed."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-10-11-first-our-three-billion-heartbeats-sooner-we-thought

 

[moon]

Into the Night Soil

Good for you fgm!

Flat right foot congratulates its sock



Haw, haw...............................................haw.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Good for you gfm! You made another one run away!

He is correct. A fact is not a proof nor a Universal Truth. A fact is an assumed predicate. The instant someone disagrees with a fact, it is no longer a fact. It becomes an argument.

Who is Cheeto Jeezus???

False authority fallacy. No dictionary defines any word. No dictionary owns any word.

WRONG. A fact is an assumed predicate. No proof. No Universal Truth.

It is a fact, for example, that Hobbits have hairy feet. This fact comes from a book of fiction. There is no proof. There is no Universal Truth involved. I assume you have read enough Tolkien to accept this fact.
...or do you want to turn it into an argument?

Every time I think this right wing squawker has achieved a new level of stupidity, he surprises me. Let's just look at the time and space he wasted in thinking he's clever:

1. It's my thread, ya damned fool! I put him on IA so I don't clutter up my scroll with his idiocy, as he's run out of steam and is babbling like some MAGA moron (you can relate, I'm sure). So no one is "running away". I don't waste time with idiots diverting to silly school yard blathers when they can't defend their position and start lying or obfuscating.

2. Here we have an example of pure ignorance trying to revise reality to suit his mental short comings. Now, "facts" are "assumed predicates". I do wish this fool would get a dictionary (like Oxfords), then have an adult present to explain the differences: Predicate - state, affirm, or assert (something) about the subject of a sentence or an argument of a proposition.
Fact - a thing that is known or proved to be true. the truth about events as opposed to interpretation. information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
Arguments can be about how many angels dance on a pinhead or what collection of facts (or lack of facts) determine a situation. Our MAGA bird prefers the former, thus he can NEVER be wrong. Conway put forth a similar tactic...and was laughed right out of a job.

3. A nick name bestowed on Trump by Meaghan McCain, the daughter of the late Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). It refers to his fake orange skin and hair color and his constant claims of near prophetic genius, along with the fanatical worship status by his "base".

4. Another display of sheer idiocy by our Maga Squawker. Now dictionary's are of no use because they don't give the definitions that he likes. Amazing. The fool's entire language and communication skills are based on what comes out of dictionaries, yet he now rejects them all in favor of his own personal neologism.....yet he is constantly using the word "fallacy". Evidently, one has to consult this new lexicon by our Maga Squawker to understand his delusional world.

5. And here is another childish tactic of Maga minions....when they cannot logically or factually refute or disprove a point, they alter the content of a previous post. Problem with that is the little arrow that readers click on to see the real content. Squawker's intellectual impotence and dishonesty are so painfully obvious that it's pathetic.

The rest of his drivel reeks of some college kid high on booze and weed waxing philosophy at 2 a.m. This is why Squawker is now on permanent IA, because he is clearly not rational or so delusional as to be a candidate for observation at your nearest hospital psych ward. Sad that his ilk is allowed to vote on any level. Oh well, time to move on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
You've gotten some really bad info. Here are the facts.

"During the first few weeks of pregnancy, your tiny embryo is shaped like a flat disk. By 5 weeks, two tubes that will become the heart have formed. The two tubes fuse together and blood flows through this tubular "heart" as it begins to beat.

Between 6 and 7 weeks, the heart tube twists and bends into an S shape. The bottom of the tube moves up and toward the back and will form the two upper heart chambers (atria). The top of the tube will form the two lower heart chambers (ventricles) as well as the large vessels that transport blood from the heart.

By 9 weeks, the four chambers of the heart are formed."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-10-11-first-our-three-billion-heartbeats-sooner-we-thought

an extrapolation from mouse embryo's.....get real! NOTHING in your link contradicts what Christiefan post. At the embryo stage of human beings there are NO VALVES OR CAPILLARIES, etc. that is necessary to be the equivalent of a formed heart. As other research shows, what is being registered are electrical impulses, NOT heart "beats".

 

[Into the Night]

Since I don't think I committed any fallacies,

You did.

the only way for me to learn is for you to explain how it was a fallacy.

Go learn logic. Stop denying it. A fallacy is an error in logic, similar to a math error.

Since you can't explain it that would mean you are simply using the fallacy fallacy to avoid the topics.

Mockery. Trolling. Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

It is not a fact that Hobbits have hairy feet. It has never been a fact that they have hairy feet. It is a fact that Tolkien said they have hairy feet. Only a complete fool would claim Tolkien's fiction was a fact. But then we all know what you are.

Facts can certainly reference fiction. Since you also understand that Tolkien described Hobbits this way, it is a fact that Hobbits have hairy feet.

 

[Into the Night]

A fact is something that is proven o prima facie or assumed to be true.

A fact is not a proof. A fact is an assumed predicate. Yes...it is assumed to be True.

That someone does not think it is true, means nothing.

It means it is not longer a fact. It is an argument.

You are confusing a theory with fact.

No theory involved here. Straw man fallacy. A theory is an explanatory argument.

A theory can be killed if there is new evidence that refutes it.
Then it must be scrapped or rewritten.

Only a theory of science is falsifiable.

But a theory is not a fact. However, a theory has to make testible predictions.

That is a requirement of any theory of science. There are non-scientific theories, however.

It has to fit all the evidence.

The theory IS the only supporting evidence required. It does not have to fit anything.

Every theory does exactly that.

Nope. A non-scientific theory has no tests. A theory of science will remain a theory of science as long as it survives tests designed to destroy it.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You did.

Go learn logic. Stop denying it. A fallacy is an error in logic, similar to a math error.

Mockery. Trolling. Void argument fallacy.

If someone claims 2+1 = 4, it is simple to point out the math error and show the correct math. It is the same with logic errors. If one claims there is a logic error then they should be able to point out the error rather than simply shouting "YOU'RE WRONG." Claiming a statement is a fallacy without being able to explain why it is a fallacy is a fallacy fallacy. It is merely an attempt to avoid dealing with the substance of the statement. The fallacy fallacy is often used by weak minded people to try to pretend they are more intelligent than they are. Into the Night is a good example of this as he constantly claims fallacies but never is able to point out why the fallacy exists. Then when asked to explain the fallacy he further avoids the issue by saying "Go learn logic."

 

[Into the Night]

Every time I think this right wing squawker has achieved a new level of stupidity, he surprises me. Let's just look at the time and space he wasted in thinking he's clever:

1. It's my thread, ya damned fool! I put him on IA so I don't clutter up my scroll with his idiocy, as he's run out of steam and is babbling like some MAGA moron (you can relate, I'm sure). So no one is "running away". I don't waste time with idiots diverting to silly school yard blathers when they can't defend their position and start lying or obfuscating.

Bulverism fallacy. Running away to the kiddie pool isn't going to save you.

2. Here we have an example of pure ignorance trying to revise reality to suit his mental short comings. Now, "facts" are "assumed predicates".

That's exactly what they are.

I do wish this fool would get a dictionary (like Oxfords), then have an adult present to explain the differences: Predicate - state, affirm, or assert (something) about the subject of a sentence or an argument of a proposition.

No dictionary defines any word. That is not the purpose of a dictionary. No dictionary owns any word. Denial of eytomology.

Fact - a thing that is known or proved to be true.

A fact is not a proof. It is an assumed predicate.

the truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

Observations are not a proof. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology.

information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

News articles are not a proof.

Arguments can be about how many angels dance on a pinhead

A rather silly argument.

or what collection of facts (or lack of facts) determine a situation.

Facts do not determine anything. They are simply assumed predicates. If one disagrees with a fact it is not longer a fact. It is an argument.

Our MAGA bird prefers the former, thus he can NEVER be wrong. Conway put forth a similar tactic...and was laughed right out of a job.

Straw man fallacy.

3. A nick name bestowed on Trump by Meaghan McCain, the daughter of the late Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). It refers to his fake orange skin and hair color and his constant claims of near prophetic genius, along with the fanatical worship status by his "base".

Trump is not God. He makes a damn fine President though. He is also a successful real estate developer. Think about that, dumbass.

4. Another display of sheer idiocy by our Maga Squawker. Now dictionary's are of no use because they don't give the definitions that he likes.

No dictionary defines any word. That is not the purpose of a dictionary. Denial of eytomology.

Amazing. The fool's entire language and communication skills are based on what comes out of dictionaries,

Nope. No dictionary owns any word. No dictionary defines any word.

yet he now rejects them all in favor of his own personal neologism....

I didn't define the words. Denial of eytomology.

yet he is constantly using the word "fallacy".

Because you keep making them.

Evidently, one has to consult this new lexicon by our Maga Squawker to understand his delusional world.

Nah. It is YOU that can't speak English.

5. And here is another childish tactic of Maga minions....when they cannot logically or factually refute or disprove a point,

Already have many times. Argument of the Stone fallacies.

they alter the content of a previous post.

Lie. I do not alter any post (except to correct an obvious spelling problem). I do not alter the intent of any post.

Problem with that is the little arrow that readers click on to see the real content.

I welcome readers to go check on what you said. Idiots here like you frequently deny what you said.

Squawker's intellectual impotence and dishonesty are so painfully obvious that it's pathetic.

Insult fallacies. Lies. Inversion fallacy.

The rest of his drivel reeks of some college kid high on booze and weed waxing philosophy at 2 a.m.

Don't drink, dude. Don't smoke either.

This is why Squawker is now on permanent IA,

Argument of the Stick fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.

because he is clearly not rational or so delusional as to be a candidate for observation at your nearest hospital psych ward.

Psychoquackery. Insult fallacies.

Sad that his ilk is allowed to vote on any level. Oh well, time to move on.

Enjoy yourself in the kiddie pool. It will do you no good.

 

[Into the Night]

an extrapolation from mouse embryo's.....get real! NOTHING in your link contradicts what Christiefan posted. At the embryo stage of human beings there are NO VALVES OR CAPILLARIES, etc. that is necessary to be the equivalent of a formed heart. As other research shows, what is being registered are electrical impulses, NOT heart "beats".

The method of determining the existence of a 'heartbeat' is clearly defined in the law. Go read the law.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Facts can certainly reference fiction. Since you also understand that Tolkien described Hobbits this way, it is a fact that Hobbits have hairy feet.

ROFLMAO.
Ok. Please show us a hobbit to support your claim.

We'll ignore your position that you have claimed that if anything is argued then it is no longer a fact which would require that it no longer be a fact based on my not agreeing it is a fact. You seem to not even know what your own logic rules are, let alone follow them.

 

[Into the Night]

If someone claims 2+1 = 4, it is simple to point out the math error and show the correct math.

And yet you claim the 2+1=4 is valid...or at least the equivalent in logic.

It is the same with logic errors.

True.

If one claims there is a logic error then they should be able to point out the error

Already have.

rather than simply shouting "YOU'RE WRONG."

Contextomy fallacy. ?(U)->(V)?(V) is an error in logic.

Claiming a statement is a fallacy without being able to explain why it is a fallacy is a fallacy fallacy.

Redefinition fallacy. !A=(B) is an error in logic.

It is merely an attempt to avoid dealing with the substance of the statement.

Void argument fallacy. !A=A is an error in logic.

The fallacy fallacy is often used by weak minded people to try to pretend they are more intelligent than they are.

Psychoquackery.

Into the Night is a good example of this as he constantly claims fallacies but never is able to point out why the fallacy exists.

I already have.

Then when asked to explain the fallacy he further avoids the issue by saying "Go learn logic."

That's exactly what you should do, not run away to the kiddie pool and try to deny logic and redefine words.