Oh, don't be so hard on yourself bravo! We all misspeak at times!
Absolutely un-bloody-believable!
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Crashk
Unite or Die
1977 was just the beginning and most production was gone by Bush I.
The mills were not upgrading like foreign steel was back in the 1960's and 70's. The men who had been there for years told us young guys working our way thru college not to depend on the mills because they were outdated and the companies were not spending $ to upgrade them. They saw, back in the late 60's, the mills and production going overseas. The unions conceded wages, benefits, hours worked and manpower for over 10 years before the companies moved their operations overseas. I was there, I talked to them, I saw it happen. It wasn't your union boogieman it was a deliberate move by the corporations to destroy labor in the U.S. and lower our standard of living by using slave labor first in Mexico then in China. I get really tired of your slave-labor anti-union brainwashed Pavlovian bullshit responses. No one got rich working in the mill. But they were able to enjoy the American Dream, which has been turned into a nightmare by your failed conservative cheap-labor 'free market' outsourcing ideology. Your parties policies and the Koch corporations that back you have destroyed labor and the middle class in this country and all you have to do is look out your window to see the results. In Y-town they produced the best steel in the world. I can't find the link but a few months ago I read about a bridge being built in Cal I think. They were using Chinese steel and found it wouldn't hold a weld. There ya have it.
Nafta/Gatt was started under Reagan, continued by Bush I and signed by Clinton, another conservative. I hate Clinton for signing it.
As far as lazy workers... who hires them, the company or the union? The unions job is to protect their right to work, they do not hire them. So what you are saying is that the company intentionally hires lazy workers to try to make the unions look bad.
Unlike you conservatives, I support American labor not communist/foreign profits.
The mills were not upgrading like foreign steel was back in the 1960's and 70's. The men who had been there for years told us young guys working our way thru college not to depend on the mills because they were outdated and the companies were not spending $ to upgrade them. They saw, back in the late 60's, the mills and production going overseas. The unions conceded wages, benefits, hours worked and manpower for over 10 years before the companies moved their operations overseas. I was there, I talked to them, I saw it happen. It wasn't your union boogieman it was a deliberate move by the corporations to destroy labor in the U.S. and lower our standard of living by using slave labor first in Mexico then in China. I get really tired of your slave-labor anti-union brainwashed Pavlovian bullshit responses. No one got rich working in the mill. But they were able to enjoy the American Dream, which has been turned into a nightmare by your failed conservative cheap-labor 'free market' outsourcing ideology. Your parties policies and the Koch corporations that back you have destroyed labor and the middle class in this country and all you have to do is look out your window to see the results. In Y-town they produced the best steel in the world. I can't find the link but a few months ago I read about a bridge being built in Cal I think. They were using Chinese steel and found it wouldn't hold a weld. There ya have it.
Nafta/Gatt was started under Reagan, continued by Bush I and signed by Clinton, another conservative. I hate Clinton for signing it.
As far as lazy workers... who hires them, the company or the union? The unions job is to protect their right to work, they do not hire them. So what you are saying is that the company intentionally hires lazy workers to try to make the unions look bad.
Unlike you conservatives, I support American labor not communist/foreign profits.
Truck Fump / h1b
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But really those empty factories are empty due to the free trade fascism of allowing slave laboreres into the international workforce. Surely you realize that.
Lets try it again, pinhead.....
...Democrats (Liberals) controlled our Congress....both houses (thats total government control)...a total of 32 out of 36 years ....from 1945 until 1981
From 1955 until 1981 an unbroken run of power,... 26 years.....
Can you wrap your little brain around that history....????
And you have the balls to to tell me ,"the real problem is 30 yrs of conservative free market ideology" ???
Are you stupid ?
There was no, conservative free market ideology...
Any and all regulation of US industry was at the hands of Democrats....
And yes Companys do the hiring and not the unions....I was a union member for 36 years, I KNOW about unions....
Thieves, drunks, druggies, and just plain asshole can't get fired because the union lawyers protect them at all costs....
Ever hear about incompetent teachers that don't teach but that do sit in little rooms at their schools and play video games, play cards, and drink coffee all day because they can't be fired...because of their union protectors...costing the taxpayers millions of dollars each and every year.?
Do you live under a rock?
Unions rarely concede anything until their jobs are absolutely on the line, and by that time, the companys they work for are in such bad shape, they don't recover even after a slight union concession....
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No, I don't think that he does, he believes it was the evil Democrats, who in a way it was, they allowed it to happen, they did not fight back, they took the money and ran!