Adam Kokesh, Pro-Gun Activist, Calls For 'Revolutionary Army' To Demand Nationwide Se

China Apologist said:
His point is imbecilic. Hitler and Osama Bin Laden directly controlled and lead organizations responsible for murder, and gave orders that resulted in deaths. Giving orders that lead to someone's murder is the moral equivalent of murder, that's obvious. This guy does not lead any such organization nor has he given any orders to anyone, he's just spouting some nonsense about a distant "revolution", and he specifically used the words "non-violent" as well. Even if somehow people were immediately inspired by his words and, ignoring the "non-violent" bit, murdered someone, he would not be the moral equivalent of Hitler or Osama Bin Laden. His point is just asinine, he hasn't put a second of thought into his argument.
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Thank you, very well stated.
 
Bfgrn said:
We do know our Founding Fathers had as much or more disdain and hatred for huge corporations like the British East India Company than the King. The colonists dumped BEIC tea in Boston Harbor because the crown gave BEIC a huge corporate tax break that would have put small merchants out of business.
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At the time, the colonies were officially required to import all tea from Great Britain. Tea was generally gotten from the East India Company, and all tea was taxed at a rate of 25% in Britain, so this effectively meant that re-exported British tea had a heavy tax on it. However, the colonists generally ignored the laws and just bought low-quality tea from Dutch smugglers who could offer lower prices thanks to not having to pay the tax. The parliament eventually realized this, and decided to help the East India Company by refunding them the 25% tax when tea was re-exported to the colonies, and they also allowed them to sell directly to the colonies (previously, middle men had been buying EIC tea and reselling it). They also cut the tax on tea in Britain, but decided to make up for this by levying a direct tax on tea in the colonies themselves. That's kind of confusing, sure, but the colonists were protesting that, the direct levying of tax. They were not bemoaning the fate of Dutch smugglers peddling low quality tea, who would now have stiff price competition from high quality tea.
 
Superfreak said:
The Senkaku Islands belong to Japan.
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The Diaoyu islands are an indisputable piece of The People's Republic of China's sovereign territory, a long established part of Taiwan province.

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Bfgrn said:
Was it a representative republic?
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It did have representation of some sort, the parliament was a remarkably democratic body for the times. It had a monarch, so, by definition, it was not a republic.

Bfgrn said:
Did it have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights??
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It had a series of documents and unwritten precedents often referred to as the "British constitution", like the Magna Carta and the Monarch appointing a cabinet to "advise" them in the exercise of their executive powers (in practice, the cabinet ran everything, and the monarch appointed who parliament told them to appoint). The American Bill of Rights was, in fact, inspired by the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

Bfgrn said:
Did it have 3 equal branches, an executive, a legislative and a judicial?
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The American model presidential system was in fact based on the British system, where the King was the executive, the bicameral parliament was the legislature, and the judiciary had a long established history of independence. That's why the people who proposed it were often attacked as anglophiles, the true radical republicans wanted a unitary council of some sort, not any of this monarchy tainted three branches bicameral nonsense. Of course, with the increasing legitimacy of democratic ideas and the wane of aristocratic ones in Britain, the monarch increasingly gave up all executive powers to the prime minister and largely waived his right to dissolve parliament or appoint the a PM of their choice, and the house of lords had it's powers reduced to the point where it's barely relevant today, so, ironically, the current British system has largely come to resemble the system proposed by the radical republicans than the American system does today. Of course, the judiciary in Britain does still retain independence of some sort under precedent, but they are clearly subservient to the bicameral-in-name-only parliament under the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty.

Bfgrn said:
Were citizens able to vote in democratic elections for their representatives on a local, state and federal level???
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Citizens residing in Great Britain, pursuant to certain qualifications (which were indeed high in those days, but the requirements were initially high in the American republic as well), were allowed to vote for their member of the Commons. A citizen residing in the colonies wasn't given such a right. But neither is an American citizen residing in Puerto Rico. There were local councils, but there wasn't any middle level of federation.

Bfgrn said:
Was it possible for any citizen to become a prominent member of local, state or federal government????
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You could become Prime Minister if elected and appointed by parliament. This was obviously heavily tilted in favor of the wealthy, but that is even true today in modern America, and was especially true in the early days of the republic. Of course, back in those days as well the democratic parts of government had to share power with an unelected house of lords. But in the early days of the republic the senate wasn't elected either. And the senate became elected around the time the House of Lords began losing it's relevancy, the early 20th century.
 
China Apologist said:
His point is imbecilic. Hitler and Osama Bin Laden directly controlled and lead organizations responsible for murder, and gave orders that resulted in deaths. Giving orders that lead to someone's murder is the moral equivalent of murder, that's obvious. This guy does not lead any such organization nor has he given any orders to anyone, he's just spouting some nonsense about a distant "revolution", and he specifically used the words "non-violent" as well. Even if somehow people were immediately inspired by his words and, ignoring the "non-violent" bit, murdered someone, he would not be the moral equivalent of Hitler or Osama Bin Laden. His point is just asinine, he hasn't put a second of thought into his argument.
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Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Edmund Burke

So, first the guy calls for his supporters to march on Washington, D.C. with illegally displayed firearms. Then he calls for supporters to march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. He he specifically used the words "non-violent" when he said: "we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible."

Kokesh's statement continued, suggesting that the time for solving problems through "democratic means" has passed. And then he asks: "we will see you on the front lines of freedom on July 4th, 2013 for this, The Final American Revolution.”

I don't know how he could misinterpreted or any more incendiary?
 
looks like Adam is doing a damn fine job of pissing off the government.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/227992...of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh#axzz2YcgCHVTO

HERNDON, Va. -

FOX 5 has confirmed that U.S. Park Police along with Herndon Police are serving a search warrant at the home of Adam Kokesh, a pro-gun activist who was seen on a YouTube video posted on July 4th loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza.

Roads have been blocked off in the area of the 1500 block of Snow Flake Court in Herndon and residents have been told to stay indoors while police serve the warrant.

In the video, Kokesh, a former Marine, appears to load red shells into a pump-action shotgun while addressing the camera in Freedom Plaza, which is U.S. parkland.

Kokesh said, "We will not be silent. We will not obey. We will not allow our government to destroy our humanity."

Kokesh threatened to lead an armed march from Virginia into D.C. on the Fourth of July, but later backed away from the plan. At the end of the video, Kokesh hints it may happen in the future. As Kokesh loads shells in to the shotgun, he tells the camera: “We are the final American revolution. See you next Independence Day."

Darryl Young, Kokesh's roommate and a political activist, defended Kokesh's actions.

"The point is we have the right to bear arms in all states," he said. "We shouldn't set standards of laws by imaginary lines called borders. In the state of Virginia, it's an open carry state where you can legally open carry, but in the District [of Columbia], the only people allowed to walk with firearms are the criminals themselves."

D.C. Police Chief Lanier told us on July 4th, "You're allowed to have a rifle [or] shotgun registered for your home, if you're a D.C. resident and it's registered for the protection of your home. You can transport it through the District of Columbia as well. But there are rules for that transport. What [Kokesh] did [Thursday] morning, if in fact that was a real firearm [with] real ammunition, would be a violation of the law."
 
o-Gun Activist, Calls For 'Revolutionary Army' To Demand Nationwide Se

And then the cops came in....forced Adam to the floor at gunpoint and went to all his neighbors and forced their way into the citizen's homes and forced them to submit to police presence in their.home for surveillance purposed on Kokesh.....right?

You fucking idiot....what in the hell do you think is going to happen when an attention whore goes on youtube, loads weapons and caps.for a violent overthrow of our government? Did you think he was going to get flowers sent to him?
 
Steelplate said:
And then the cops came in....forced Adam to the floor at gunpoint and went to all his neighbors and forced their way into the citizen's homes and forced them to submit to police presence in their.home for surveillance purposed on Kokesh.....right?
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how many badges have you blown today?

Steelplate said:
You fucking idiot....what in the hell do you think is going to happen when an attention whore goes on youtube, loads weapons and caps.for a violent overthrow of our government? Did you think he was going to get flowers sent to him?
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in all of Kokesh's dealings with the police, he has NEVER been violent, in fact he's pretty clearly stated that he's looking to make his cases in courts to have laws changed, so why was there a need to do a SWAT type raid on his home and evacuate the neighborhood other than to violently intimidate him and try to provoke violence? it wasn't possible to wait for him to go to work and arrest him outside?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
how many badges have you blown today?

in all of Kokesh's dealings with the police, he has NEVER been violent, in fact he's pretty clearly stated that he's looking to make his cases in courts to have laws changed, so why was there a need to do a SWAT type raid on his home and evacuate the neighborhood other than to violently intimidate him and try to provoke violence? it wasn't possible to wait for him to go to work and arrest him outside?
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Kokesh wanted to make a spectacle out of himself...wish granted.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so exercising rights, political activism, and civil disobedience is license for potentially lethal force? and you wonder why people don't trust the government.
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A potentially lethal response is called for when the activist exercises potentially lethal political activism and civil disobedience.
 
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