Adm. Alvin Holsey resigned over Hegseth's Venezuela boat strike orders

@RB 60 @T. A. Gardner @FastLane @Damocles , here is what Pam Bondi submitted to the Supreme Court while working for a right wing think tank.

Do you guys believe Bondi broke the law? Was wrong to believe and state that?


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NY Times????

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No one can comprehend your stupidity so finally we agree upon something.

Just as this soldier did, just as they teach in military academy, EACH AND EVERY service member must make THEIR OWN determination, and if they need to consult a JAG or other lawyers they can, and if they BELIEVE an order is an illegal one, they must not follow it.

RB i know you have no ability to read the below and comprehend it but see if someone will help you as this is directly from what is taught in Military Academy..


Core Principles Taught at Military Academies​



  • Obligation to disobey unlawful orders
    • Following an illegal order is itself a crime
    • “I was just following orders” is not a legal defense
  • Individual criminal responsibility
    • Service members are personally accountable under:
      • Military law (e.g., UCMJ)
      • Domestic criminal law
      • International humanitarian law (Law of Armed Conflict)
  • Manifestly unlawful orders standard
    • You are expected to refuse orders that are clearly illegal on their face, such as:
      • Killing wounded or surrendering enemies
      • Targeting civilians or civilian objects
      • Torture or cruel treatment
      • Rape, looting, or collective punishment
  • Orders you must question
    • Orders that:
      • Violate Rules of Engagement (ROE)
      • Conflict with the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC)
      • Seem outside the issuing commander’s authority
What illegal orders would you leftist morons be talking about? I haven't seen anyone cite a specific criminal code that suggests criminal conduct. :palm:
 
@RB 60 @T. A. Gardner @FastLane @Damocles , here is what Pam Bondi submitted to the Supreme Court while working for a right wing think tank.

Do you guys believe Bondi broke the law? Was wrong to believe and state that?


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All MAGAt cracker retards believe what they are told to believe by their draft-dodging, oath-breaking Pedo President. They should all be treated like domestic enemies of the Constitution.
 
All MAGAt cracker retards believe what they are told to believe by their draft-dodging, oath-breaking Pedo President. They should all be treated like domestic enemies of the Constitution.
you notice how @T. A. Gardner , @RB 60 , @Damocles , @FastLane have nothing to say when it is magats such as Pete Hegseth, and Pam Bondi, two of the top in Trump admin saying the EXACT SAME THINGS as the Dems said that this group lost their shit over.

But we can expect and bet on their hypocrisy as Pete Hegseth continues to try and find a way to punish those who were in the military and said the same basic thing he has said but a tamer version.
 
@RB 60 @T. A. Gardner @FastLane @Damocles , here is what Pam Bondi submitted to the Supreme Court while working for a right wing think tank.

Do you guys believe Bondi broke the law? Was wrong to believe and state that?


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Trivial objections fallacy.

No, Bondi did not break the law. Her statement is correct. Narco-terrorists are not "civilians." They are terrorists wearing civilian clothes. That makes the doubly a target.
 
Trivial objections fallacy.

No, Bondi did not break the law. Her statement is correct. Narco-terrorists are not "civilians." They are terrorists wearing civilian clothes. That makes the doubly a target.
How about genocide for illegal immigrants? That something you'd like also?
 
Just wondering. You think killing innocent people off shore of Venezuela is justified.
People driving a boat filled with drugs and trying to evade law enforcement aren't "innocent." They are criminals and either are or are associated with narco-terrorism. That makes them a valid target.
 
You'd be the first to prove that. Even Trump does not say this.
Preponderance of the evidence. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is not needed, and a drug boat in international waters filled with non-US citizens doesn't get "Constitutional Rights" any more than an enemy in war does.

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Preponderance of the evidence. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is not needed, and a drug boat in international waters filled with non-US citizens doesn't get "Constitutional Rights" any more than an enemy in war does.

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Trivial objections fallacy.

No, Bondi did not break the law. Her statement is correct. Narco-terrorists are not "civilians." They are terrorists wearing civilian clothes. That makes the doubly a target.
So you agree there is nothing wrong with her saying that "the military would not carry out an illegal order by the POTUS... and they are required not to do so"?

You agree this is a correct thing to say and not just for the single instance you like but for any such illegal orders?
 
So you agree there is nothing wrong with her saying that "the military would not carry out an illegal order by the POTUS... and they are required not to do so"?

In that context, yes.
You agree this is a correct thing to say and not just for the single instance you like but for any such illegal orders?
In the context you have given.

However, what those six Democrats that made that video did was first very strongly imply that this administration and Trump where issuing illegal orders. No, they didn't come right out and say that, but they all but said it.

Their message was clear: Trump and his administration are issuing illegal orders and you in the military don't have to obey them.

That is a whole different animal.
 
In that context, yes.

In the context you have given.

However, what those six Democrats that made that video did was first very strongly imply that this administration and Trump where issuing illegal orders. No, they didn't come right out and say that, but they all but said it.

Their message was clear: Trump and his administration are issuing illegal orders and you in the military don't have to obey them.

That is a whole different animal.
No you are simply lying, as always.

The statements made were a general caution in this exact same way and less of a direct comment than the one Hegseth made where he called Trump a paper tiger for saying the military would follow his illegal orders.

What you do not get to do is 'read between the lines' and pick out YOUR OWN context for what they said and attribute it to them. They either said a thing or they did not.

That you are saying is 'my read is they replied' as a reason to say something is wrong or punishable is so absurd it is stupid.

Can i tell you what you just implied? Is my opinion of your implication something you should be punished for?
 
you notice how @T. A. Gardner , @RB 60 , @Damocles , @FastLane have nothing to say when it is magats such as Pete Hegseth, and Pam Bondi, two of the top in Trump admin saying the EXACT SAME THINGS as the Dems said that this group lost their shit over.

But we can expect and bet on their hypocrisy as Pete Hegseth continues to try and find a way to punish those who were in the military and said the same basic thing he has said but a tamer version.
Hypocrisy is a vital part of being a MAGAt cracker retard.

Whiskey Pete is refusing to release the video tape of the Double-Tap strike because he knows it's proof of a war crime. He's too fucking stupid to realize that as soon as he's out of office, that video will see him in court. His best way out is a bottle of booze and a .45. :thup:

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Hypocrisy is a vital part of being a MAGAt cracker retard.

Whiskey Pete is refusing to release the video tape of the Double-Tap strike because he knows it's proof of a war crime. He's too fucking stupid to realize that as soon as he's out of office, that video will see him in court. His best way out is a bottle of booze and a .45. :thup:

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@T. A. Gardner proves what an empty shill she is by saying even though they all said the same words, what Pete and Bondi said is ok because she reads a different intent behind what the Dem's meant and the Dems need to be punished for that intent she assumes.

She ignores no one is responsible for what others 'assume they mean' as opposed to what they actually said and she also ignores Pete Hegseth's comments were SPECIFICALLY about Trump giving illegal orders to the military. NO assumption needed as Hegseth speaking to a potential Trump future Presidency says over and over after Trump says 'his military will follow his illegal orders' that they 'will not follow the unlawful orders from the Commander in Chief' as he continues to call Trump a Paper Tiger who never served.
 
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