Amendment 13 And A Military Draft

[Robo]

Quote Amendment 13: 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Supreme Court precedent dictates in a “supposed” land of the brave and the “FREE,” that a military draft is constitutional.

I have read many of the what I call excuses for that court decision and find them absurd and some even laughable.

The elementary text of amendment 13 makes is perfectly clear to me that until or unless a constitutional amendment is authored, offered and passed by the Congress and ratified by 3/4 of the States, to make an exception for military conscription as is now prohibited by amendment 13, forcing Americans or anybody to serve in the United States military against their will is slavery and or involuntary servitude and totally unconstitutional regardless of any absurd excuses politicians and courts can come up with.

Why am I wrong?

 

[Minister of Truth]

Because part of our law comes from tradition, and dating back to the Roman Republic, military service was a civic duty. Your view of conscription is barely a half century old.

 

[Lightbringer]

Quote Amendment 13: 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Supreme Court precedent dictates in a “supposed” land of the brave and the “FREE,” that a military draft is constitutional.

I have read many of the what I call excuses for that court decision and find them absurd and some even laughable.

The elementary text of amendment 13 makes is perfectly clear to me that until or unless a constitutional amendment is authored, offered and passed by the Congress and ratified by 3/4 of the States, to make an exception for military conscription as is now prohibited by amendment 13, forcing Americans or anybody to serve in the United States military against their will is slavery and or involuntary servitude and totally unconstitutional regardless of any absurd excuses politicians and courts can come up with.

Why am I wrong?

Involuntary servitude refers to slaves. Slaves are not Citizens. The draft is different. Citizens can be drafted.

 

[Robo]

Because part of our law comes from tradition, and dating back to the Roman Republic, military service was a civic duty. Your view of conscription is barely a half century old.

My view of conscription as it relates to the Constitution is viewed as a contradiction and thereby unconstitutional.

 

[Lightbringer]

My view of conscription as it relates to the Constitution is viewed as a contradiction and thereby unconstitutional.

And, like always, you're stupid.

 

[Robo]

Involuntary servitude refers to slaves. Slaves are not Citizens. The draft is different. Citizens can be drafted.

Amendment 14 says everybody that has been born in the United States is a "citizen," and if conscription isn't involuntary servitude and involuntary servitude isn't slavery, what the fuck is it? Please dispense with the absurdities!

 

[Minister of Truth]

My view of conscription as it relates to the Constitution is viewed as a contradiction and thereby unconstitutional.

Was it viewed as a contradiction by the framers? By the authors of the 13th? In 1917, 1941, 1950, 1955, or 1964? It took the unpopularity of Vietnam for your view to be formulated.

 

[Lightbringer]

Amendment 14 says everybody that has been born in the United States is a "citizen," and if conscription isn't involuntary servitude and involuntary servitude isn't slavery, what the fuck is it? Please dispense with the absurdities!

You're wrong, it doesn't say that. Read it again nitwit.

 

[Robo]

And, like always, you're stupid.

And as always, you can't make a rational or honest argument as to whyI'm stupid, huh?

 

[Lightbringer]

And as always, you can't make a rational or honest argument as to whyI'm stupid, huh?

Citizens have rights...and responsibilities. Now tell me how the draft is wrong you libertarian piece of shit.

 

[Robo]

Was it viewed as a contradiction by the framers? By the authors of the 13th? In 1917, 1941, 1950, 1955, or 1964? It took the unpopularity of Vietnam for your view to be formulated.

All of that is perfectly irrelevant because amendment 13 says what it says. please interpret the actual dictionary definitions of the 13th's text and tell me any of your argument has any relevancy to what the amendment actually says.

You also ignore my opinion that if congress ever considered it should not pertain to a military draft, it would have said as much, (it doesn't), and no amendment has never been offered to say a military draft is not to be considered as involuntary servitude or slavery or to be in contradiction to amendment 13, and is a must to make a draft constitutional.

 

[Robo]

You're wrong, it doesn't say that. Read it again nitwit.

What does it say?

 

[Robo]

Citizens have rights...and responsibilities. Now tell me how the draft is wrong you libertarian piece of shit.

Then citizens have the right to refuse conscription because it's in violation of amendment 12, right? Citizens have the responsibility to refuse to be enslaved by unconstitutional BIG daddy government's illegal, unconstitutional laws and actions, right commie?

 

[Lightbringer]

Then citizens have the right to refuse conscription because it's in violation of amendment 12, right? Citizens have the responsibility to refuse to be enslaved by unconstitutional BIG daddy government's illegal, unconstitutional laws and actions, right commie?

The 12th Amendment has nothing to do with military service.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because part of our law comes from tradition, and dating back to the Roman Republic, military service was a civic duty. Your view of conscription is barely a half century old.

right. and the colonial army forced every able bodied man to wear their uniform and fight for them.

how do people this stupid make it this far in life???????

 

[SmarterthanYou]

And, like always, you're stupid.

but in this instance, he's absolutely correct and you are not.

 

[Lightbringer]

but in this instance, he's absolutely correct and you are not.

No, he's not correct.

I have the 12th Amendment open in another window. Do I have to post it here or can I trust you to look it up on your own and be honest about what it says?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Was it viewed as a contradiction by the framers?

yes. the framers no more agreed with conscription during and after the revolutionary war than they did before it. it's why the 3% formula exists.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Citizens have rights...and responsibilities. Now tell me how the draft is wrong you libertarian piece of shit.

the military was conceived as an ALL VOLUNTARY unit. it's why citizens were considered militia and militia service was always VOLUNTARY!!!!!!

so you are wrong.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, he's not correct.

i'm not talking about the 12th Amendment, dumbass.