Amendment 13 And A Military Draft

My right to swing my fist stops at the end of your nose. My protection from involuntary servitude ends when the nation is at peril. It doesn't really matter if the 13th amendment protects us from the draft; when it is truly required, it will be ignored, and the people who do so will not be punished. So it is de facto constitutional.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
My right to swing my fist stops at the end of your nose. My protection from involuntary servitude ends when the nation is at peril. It doesn't really matter if the 13th amendment protects us from the draft; when it is truly required, it will be ignored, and the people who do so will not be punished. So it is de facto constitutional.
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Well, the dictatorship was a constitutional office in Rome. I want to say that the constitutional limit in American crisis lies somewhere between autocracy and impotence. I think the draft is fine, but, most of the other wartime measures taken by Wilson a century ago were too far.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
then please, provide us with the plain and clear text that gives the federal government the power to conscript.
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U.S. Constitution, Article 1, section 8, clause 12. Though the words draft and conscription are not used its authorization of Government to raise and support an Army is clear indication of the same concept - to use our nations resources to support or man an Army.

Robo's argument then hangs on his argument that the draft, is involuntary servitude prohibited by the 13th amendment.

That's a specious argument as the courts have ruled that 13th amendment was never intended to abolish the draft and that serving in the military, even against your will, is not involuntary servitude, but an exceptional service that are owed government as a duty and a legal obligation of citizenship. Per Butler vs. Perry those duties of citizenship owed the State are exempted from the 13th amendment meaning that legal requirements of citizenship to serve in the Army, Militia or Jury are Constitutional.
 
Guille said:
Ok Darla. You have to be Darla because Rune is smarter than this. The government is not the private sector. They don't need to raise pay and benefits. They can if they want to go that route but they can also just conscript if it's needed because they are Constitutionally empowered and obligated to provide for defense.
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No, douchebag, Darla is smarter than I am.
Why do they offer good benefits?
Clearly a volunteer army is beneficial.
During a national crisis is a different story.
 
Guille said:
The 13th Amendment does not say the feds can't draft, it outlaws slavery. People like you make me sick, you think your citizenship gives you a lot of perks but requires no obligations.
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People like you make me sick, you think citizens have no inalienable rights and only get their rights by the whims and prejudices of fucking politicians and political ideological judges.
 
Guille said:
The 13th Amendment does not say the feds can't draft, it outlaws slavery. People like you make me sick, you think your citizenship gives you a lot of perks but requires no obligations.
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People like you make me sick, you think citizens have no inalienable rights and only get their rights by the whims and prejudices of fucking politicians and political ideological judges.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
Every right has limitations. A military draft and bound military service are necessary for national security.
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Bullshit! Politicians that have to enslave their citizens to fight their unnecessary, undeclared, unconstitutional wars should have to arm themselves, and lead their own children into such insane fucking battles.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
In the federalist papers they talked up how limited the rights of the federal government were to win over antifederalists. In reality any straightforward reading of the constitution allows for extremely broad federal powers.
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Only to political biased dishonest authoritarian pigs.
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
The Lochner court is actually widely recognized for being extremely arbitrary and unjust. It was only remedied when FDR got into power. The Warren court made this into a free county; without it we'd be just a bunch of barbaric territories of racism, misogyny, and injustice.
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The courts always do and have done the bidding of the political hacks that nominated and confirmed them, the Constitution be damned!
 
Mitsuha Miyamizu said:
My right to swing my fist stops at the end of your nose. My protection from involuntary servitude ends when the nation is at peril. It doesn't really matter if the 13th amendment protects us from the draft; when it is truly required, it will be ignored, and the people who do so will not be punished. So it is de facto constitutional.
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What was the Korean and Vietnam "crisis?" The government's authority to slaughter its own people and others ends at the 13th amendment and a free people's inalienable right to tell government to shove it up their authoritarian ass!
 
Robo said:
People like you make me sick, you think citizens have no inalienable rights and only get their rights by the whims and prejudices of fucking politicians and political ideological judges.
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There is no such thing as an inalienable right, papsmear. You can't find that term in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. All rights, every fucking one of them, cumspot, are alienable.

Senile fucking McCarthyist moron
 
Robo said:
People like you make me sick, you think citizens have no inalienable rights and only get their rights by the whims and prejudices of fucking politicians and political ideological judges.
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I never said Citizens don't have inalienable rights but that's a different discussion. What I said is that you're a cowardly shitstain on our nation's underpants.
 
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