Amendment 13 And A Military Draft

Robo said:
Where in the Constitution does it say the people OWE anything to the State asshole? The State only serves as authorized/allowed by the people. Do you know who the BOSS here really is commie asshole? Judges and Courts can also be extinguished for bad behavior and fucking over the folks moron. King George learned that lesson.
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Cumspot, the issue has been settled. Fucking, McCarthyist Dicksucker.

Read Article 1 Section 8. The power to raise armies and "Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers"

Eat the corn out of my turd, illiterate cunt. You lose (again)
 
Robo said:
Quote Amendment 13: 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Supreme Court precedent dictates in a “supposed” land of the brave and the “FREE,” that a military draft is constitutional.

I have read many of the what I call excuses for that court decision and find them absurd and some even laughable.

The elementary text of amendment 13 makes is perfectly clear to me that until or unless a constitutional amendment is authored, offered and passed by the Congress and ratified by 3/4 of the States, to make an exception for military conscription as is now prohibited by amendment 13, forcing Americans or anybody to serve in the United States military against their will is slavery and or involuntary servitude and totally unconstitutional regardless of any absurd excuses politicians and courts can come up with.

Why am I wrong?
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If that is true....then those who are "enslaved" and classified as property of the state, i.e, servants of the penal system and the dept of justice....can also declare the 13th applies to them as they are slaves. One's things for sure no one volunteers to become a quest of the state. Common sense must be applied to all amendments of the constitution. Freedom is not really free....someone must protect YOUR RIGHTS if you are unwilling to do as much.

You are attempting to push the plow with the mule.....there is nothing mentioned in the 13th concerning military service...thus, according to the 10th the people/states (which includes those congress critters sent by the states to DC) reserve the right to make law as they see fit, as nothing concerning a military draft is described in the constitution or following amendments....thus, instead of attempting to push the plow with mule....allow the mule to pull it. In other words if you want a restriction concerning a draft.....that restriction must be ratified as an amendment and added to the contract among the states (the US constitution and following amendments) stating with clarity that a draft is forbidden.
 
Criminals in the penal (haha, penal!!) system essentially gave consent to be locked-up when they committed the crime. Plus, the 13th specifically mentions convicts.
 
Ralph said:
If that is true....then those who are "enslaved" and classified as property of the state, i.e, servants of the penal system and the dept of justice....can also declare the 13th applies to them as they are slaves. One's things for sure no one volunteers to become a quest of the state. Common sense must be applied to all amendments of the constitution. Freedom is not really free....someone must protect YOUR RIGHTS if you are unwilling to do as much.

You are attempting to push the plow with the mule.....there is nothing mentioned in the 13th concerning military service...thus, according to the 10th the people/states (which includes those congress critters sent by the states to DC) reserve the right to make law as they see fit, as nothing concerning a military draft is described in the constitution or following amendments....thus, instead of attempting to push the plow with mule....allow the mule to pull it. In other words if you want a restriction concerning a draft.....that restriction must be ratified as an amendment and added to the contract among the states (the US constitution and following amendments) stating with clarity that a draft is forbidden.
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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

why is that such a hard concept to understand?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

why is that such a hard concept to understand?
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Of course...."except" means nothing...right? Again....show me the language that address Armed Forces Induction. There is no such language...in fact the judicial branch has correctly read the 5th not to be inclusive of Armed Forces Induction. The courts have ruled expressly and unambiguously that it is the "highest duty" of the citizen to bear arms at the call of the nation (as explained in Amendment 2...FYI: the 5th does not rescind the 2nd in definition or reality). This duty is "inherent" to claiming citizenship...with out it (induction at times of national security need) and the collective power of the state to compel its performance SOCIETY COULD NOT BE MAINTAINED.

Where did the courts derive this authority besides the correct reading of the 2nd amendment? The court correctly ruled (in several cases....including 38 S. Ct. 159, 245 U.S. 366 (1918)) that it would be a "contradiction" in terms to say that the United States is a sovereign nation and yet lacks the power of self defense. Hence the power to legislate a Military Draft when and if the need should arise rests in the Constitution's Articles 1 and 8 which defines the states ability to defend itself....authorizes the need to "SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND ITSELF" WITH THE MEANS NECESSARY.

If the state requires manpower.....and defines it as "necessary to self defense"...there is nothing in the Constitution or following amendments that prohibits a draft and or selective service induction.


But again....it was YOU that suggested that such constitutes slavery. And slavery is indeed still alive and functioning in the United States of America or there would not be a total population (consisting of over 2 Million, 217 thousand US citizens) that are considered "PROPERTY OF THE STATE" residing within the penal system of the United States of America.

Slave: A person who is owned. If the state does not OWN these prisoners....then they are protected by the Constitution. Fact: prisoners give up their constitutional freedoms when they commit crimes against humanity.

If you are correct in your "private" interpretation of the Constitution and following amendments then the US could not "constitutionally" force people into the US penal system and label them as PROPERTY OF THE STATE.....regardless of the number of indictments against them.

In other words you can't cherry pick phrases of the constitution and take them away from the contextual integrity of the other Articles, Sections, Clauses and amendments found in the WHOLE.


The way you read the constitution....the 2nd must be rescinded in order for the DRAFT to become unconstitutional. But it still exits. What you are attempting is paramount to cutting off your nose to feed your face.

The fact of being indicted and found guilty does not vacate the fact that said defendants become SLAVES of the STATE once convicted of a crime. The military draft convicts no one of a crime nor are their constitutional rights suspended....they are merely required to protect the nation that provides them the umbrella of protection that allows their friends and family to lay their head on a pillow at night without concern that they might be attacked in their sleep.

It is the "fool" that suggests that the United States and its constitutional liberties and freedoms can exist void of having a method of SELF DEFENSE that rests under the knowledge that it is maintained by the Best Military on Earth. Without the military there could be no United States of America as we know it.
 
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SmarterthanYou said:
you really can't read and comprehend, can you?
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Easy Peasy....read to me the section of the 5th amendment that deals with Military Conscription and the mandate for all legal age citizens to register for a draft if national security requires the reinstatement of the DRAFT.

I tried to comprehend it....but its a most difficult thing to comprehend something that does not exist. Especially when the authority of national self defense rests in Article 1 and Article 8 of the constitution. Its hard to have national self defense if conscripts can't come from all 50 states and US territories....should the need ever arise for a mass buildup of military strength.

Real slow.....like I am communicating with a 5 year old. Where is that "one" right that has never been subject to regulation and restrictive acts of legislation? And you suggest that its other's that can't comprehend simple
English text drafted at an 8th grade reading comprehension level....THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION? LMAO:)

You can't interpret the constitution (reality: the constitution was never drafted to be "interpreted, but simply read and compared to acts of common law) you ignorantly continue to suggest that one part of it rescinds clear and unambiguous text in other sections of the same document. The 5th does not rescind the 2nd, the 2nd does not rescind Articles 1 and 8, and the 10th explains in detail that its the states/people, and only the states/people that possess the authority to amend the Constitution or draft acts of legislation that regulate the protected social more's of the PEOPLE....called acts of law.
While explaining that anything not covered in the Standard that calibrates all acts of law (the constitution and following amendments)...belongs to the STATES/PEOPLE not the federal government. Even federal law is drafted by the STATES/PEOPLE's representatives....thus all acts of law both federal and state are gestated by the states/people via republican representation. Those congress critters in DC are hired/elected by the states/people to serve the state that sent them. And this type of government is guaranteed at every level of government in the United States Article 4, Section 4, Clause 1. WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC not a SOCIAL DEMOCRACY.
 
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Robo said:
How fucking pathetic asshole your only argument is pussy-whipping a fucking typo. You got nothing braindead commie!
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1) You did mention the 13th in your thread title so I did have an idea what you meant. You were also so sure of your opinion that you got the amendment number wrong. Once again, great job Robo-derp.

2) It doesn't matter because you're wrong anyway, the 13th is a reconstruction amendment and only a dishonest fucker like you would attempt to claim it has any standing apart from erasing slavery.
 
domer76 said:
Cumspot, the issue has been settled. Fucking, McCarthyist Dicksucker.

Read Article 1 Section 8. The power to raise armies and "Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers"

Eat the corn out of my turd, illiterate cunt. You lose (again)
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Ah, truth and logic. With Robo that's a bold strategy. Let's see if it pays off for you.
 
domer76 said:
Read Article 1 Section 8. The power to raise armies and "Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers"
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Where do we find the amendment that says "by any means necessary and proper including enslaving the folks to involuntary servitude and repealing amendment 13?" Fucking commie asshole!
 
Ralph said:
the authority of national self defense rests in Article 1 and Article 8 of the constitution. Its hard to have national self defense if conscripts can't come from all 50 states and US territories....should the need ever arise for a mass buildup of military strength.
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You can’t provide a dime’s worth of evidence to support that opinion relative to a war worthy of actually being fought.
 
Guille said:
1) You did mention the 13th in your thread title so I did have an idea what you meant. You were also so sure of your opinion that you got the amendment number wrong. Once again, great job Robo-derp.

2) It doesn't matter because you're wrong anyway, the 13th is a reconstruction amendment and only a dishonest fucker like you would attempt to claim it has any standing apart from erasing slavery.
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Well commie, it has standing with those enslaved to involuntary servitude and forced into military service against their will. Where's the part of amendment 13 that exempts a military DRAFT from the elementary text of amendment 13 commie? Oh! That's right, there is no such language anywhere in the Constitution, but there is the elementary text of amendment 13. Seems I have written constitutional text evidence commie and you have squat, huh asshole commie?
 
Robo said:
Where do we find the amendment that says "by any means necessary and proper including enslaving the folks to involuntary servitude and repealing amendment 13?" Fucking commie asshole!
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Not there, illiterate McCarthyist cunt.

Article 1 Section 8 gives them the CONSTITUTIONAL authority to enact laws necessary to raise an army. You're pulling the 13th out of your ass on this one.

Do us a favor, bitch, and get the fuck off this forum.
 
domer76 said:
Not there, illiterate McCarthyist cunt.

Article 1 Section 8 gives them the CONSTITUTIONAL authority to enact laws necessary to raise an army. You're pulling the 13th out of your ass on this one.

Do us a favor, bitch, and get the fuck off this forum.
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you are aware that the bill of rights came AFTER the constitution, and as such, renders any law forcing involuntary servitude unconstitutional?
 
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