America Is Not A Christian Country

Cypress said:
Christ is the Greek word for Messiah. Being a Messiah does not require one to be a divine deity, to be God himself. There is a long tradition in Christianity, going back to the earliest days of the faith, of emphasizing Jesus' humanity over his divinity.

Of course, many of them were murdered and persecuted as heretics by the orthodox strain of the faith. But they are still around today. I have attended Unitarian services.
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Christianity does in fact believe the Messiah is divine....over the history of the religion those who denied it were excluded from the Church......though heretics are no longer killed, it doesn't mean we've decided to let those who deny Christ to pretend they are Christians.........obviously that includes the Unitarians......while they use his name, they are not his by definition of the term Christian......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Christianity does in fact believe the Messiah is divine....over the history of the religion those who denied it were excluded from the Church......though heretics are no longer killed, it doesn't mean we've decided to let those who deny Christ to pretend they are Christians.........obviously that includes the Unitarians......while they use his name, they are not his by definition of the term Christian......
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You have never actually read the New Testament which was written in Archaic Greek, and has been attempted to be translated into English on the basis of Medieval msnuscipt copies which existed a thousand years after the original Gospels.

In the earliest Synoptic Gospels, New Testament scholars conclude that Jesus never called himself God. Since the Synoptic gospels were compiled closer in time to Jesus' own generation, they are probably the most reliable in terms of historical content.

The Gospel of John was written later and tried to make a concerted effort to make Jesus divine. This sounds to me like an after-the-fact embellishment of Jesus' life story.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Christianity does in fact believe the Messiah is divine....over the history of the religion those who denied it were excluded from the Church......though heretics are no longer killed, it doesn't mean we've decided to let those who deny Christ to pretend they are Christians.........obviously that includes the Unitarians......while they use his name, they are not his by definition of the term Christian......
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But ... you wish you could kill them, right? :)
 
NiftyNiblick said:
American is certainly not a theocracy of any kind, although some zealots among us would have it as such.

The Evangelical American Taliban expresses and promotes theocratic views all the time.

As for 65% of Americans being Christians, I have no evidence to challenge that, but I don't really believe it.
That's a huge number of religious-superstition-afflicted/compromised people.
If it's true, however, it explains a lot.
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It's disturbing that so many of them truly believe that the country would be "better" if we were all the same religion (theirs, of course). If we all went to church (theirs, of course). If we all worshiped the same god (theirs, of course). If we had prayer and scriptural teachings in school (their prayers and teachings, of course). Despite the case law history and the Constitution, they would gladly implement this if it were allowed.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's disturbing that so many of them truly believe that the country would be "better" if we were all the same religion (theirs, of course). If we all went to church (theirs, of course). If we all worshiped the same god (theirs, of course). If we had prayer and scriptural teachings in school (their prayers and teachings, of course). Despite the case law history and the Constitution, they would gladly implement this if it were allowed.
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According to Phantasmal, Muslim children are allowed to bring their Prayer Rugs to school. Claims it's in the Constitution. So, there's that.
 
I've always been a bit baffled that people who hate all that Jesus stood for as much as the Americans do should be so determined to describe their country as 'Christian'. Weird!
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
I've always been a bit baffled that people who hate all that Jesus stood for as much as the Americans do should be so determined to describe their country as 'Christian'. Weird!
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It's the Jesus Freaks, Iola. THEY want everyone to LOVE Jesus.
 
Jack said:
According to Phantasmal, Muslim children are allowed to bring their Prayer Rugs to school. Claims it's in the Constitution. So, there's that.
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I guess the shrimp fleet is out to sea today, eh? This is your what -- fourth attempt to fan a flame war by talking personalities rather than issues? You should go back and lick your toxic bf some more. Maybe this time you'll get high. :laugh:

 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I guess the shrimp fleet is out to sea today, eh? This is your what -- fourth attempt to fan a flame war by talking personalities rather than issues? You should go back and lick your toxic bf some more. Maybe this time you'll get high.
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Just quoting Phantasmal. Maybe my Sun God Beach Towel will be accepted too?
 
Cypress said:
You have never actually read the New Testament which was written in Archaic Greek, and has been attempted to be translated into English on the basis of Medieval msnuscipt copies which existed a thousand years after the original Gospels.

In the earliest Synoptic Gospels, New Testament scholars conclude that Jesus never called himself God
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first, I have a Masters in Theology which did in fact require me to study Greek, second, tools are available on the internet which enable even those who have not done so to study the Bible in its original language, third the current translations available are much closer to the original text than what we had even a hundred years ago......fourth and finally, the only "New Testament scholars" who claim Jesus did not call himself "God" are atheists denying the words of scripture....."Before Abraham was, I am!"......as for the book of John, it may have been written a few years later than Matthew, Mark or Luke, but on the other hand it was the only one of the four gospels written by one of his disciples.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first, I have a Masters in Theology which did in fact require me to study Greek, second, tools are available on the internet which enable even those who not done so to study the Bible in its original language, third the current translations available are much closer to the original text than what we had even a hundred years ago......fourth and finally, the only "New Testament scholars" who claim Jesus did not call himself "God" are atheists denying the words of scripture....."Before Abraham was, I am!"......as for the book of John, it may have been written a few years later than Matthew, Mark or Luke, but on the other hand it was the only one of the four gospels written by one of his disciples.......
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Hard to believe you have a high school diploma.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I guess the shrimp fleet is out to sea today, eh? This is your what -- fourth attempt to fan a flame war by talking personalities rather than issues? You should go back and lick your toxic bf some more. Maybe this time you'll get high. :laugh:

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Just saw that Simpson's episode the other day. Brilliant as usual.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first, I have a Masters in Theology which did in fact require me to study Greek, second, tools are available on the internet which enable even those who have not done so to study the Bible in its original language, third the current translations available are much closer to the original text than what we had even a hundred years ago......fourth and finally, the only "New Testament scholars" who claim Jesus did not call himself "God" are atheists denying the words of scripture....."Before Abraham was, I am!"......as for the book of John, it may have been written a few years later than Matthew, Mark or Luke, but on the other hand it was the only one of the four gospels written by one of his disciples.......
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Nobody knows who wrote the Gospel of John. All the Gospels had anonymous authors and were only later attributed as a convenience to disciples and companions of disciples.

Scholarly consensus was that John was written 90 to 95 AD. It is implausible that a living disciple of Jesus could have written it.

Jesus cannot be taken out of his historical and cultural context. Jesus was a Jew who practiced the Jewish law. Words like "Messiah" and "Son of God" have an entirely different context in the Jewish tradition, than the interpretation which subsequent late first century and second century Christians placed on them.
 
Cypress said:
Nobody knows who wrote the Gospel of John.
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there are some god-deniers who are not aware of the author......no one pays them much attention......

Scholarly consensus was that John was written 90 to 95 AD. It is implausible that a living disciple of Jesus could have written it
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hardly implausible......Jesus' ministry dates around 30 AD and John refers to himself in the gospel as "the young man".......he could have put the gospel to writing in his late 70s......
 
Cypress said:
Jesus cannot be taken out of his historical and cultural context. Jesus was a Jew who practiced the Jewish law. Words like "Messiah" and "Son of God" have an entirely different context in the Jewish tradition, than the interpretation which subsequent late first century and second century Christians placed on them.
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sorry, the meanings given by Christians today are more compatible with Jewish tradition than the meanings attributed to them by atheists.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first, I have a Masters in Theology which did in fact require me to study Greek, second, tools are available on the internet which enable even those who have not done so to study the Bible in its original language, third the current translations available are much closer to the original text than what we had even a hundred years ago......fourth and finally, the only "New Testament scholars" who claim Jesus did not call himself "God" are atheists denying the words of scripture....."Before Abraham was, I am!"......as for the book of John, it may have been written a few years later than Matthew, Mark or Luke, but on the other hand it was the only one of the four gospels written by one of his disciples.......
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What an amazing waste of college years. You post like Jesus and Christianity are not part of your life.
 
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