America voted for a dumpster fire — Democrats just need to let it burn itself out

[T. A. Gardner]

I don't see how it's debatable. The '01 recession certainly wasn't the worst in the country's history but a recession is a recession and it came about because the dot com bubble burst. Under no definition was the economy growing at that time.

I don't see economic bubbles like that as something necessarily created by the President or politics. Biden and the Democrats created the high inflation of the first two years of his term. Obama created economic disasters like Obamacare and high gas prices as an example.

 

[cawacko]

I don't see economic bubbles like that as something necessarily created by the President or politics. Biden and the Democrats created the high inflation of the first two years of his term. Obama created economic disasters like Obamacare and high gas prices as an example.

The discussion/debate isn't over who was responsible. However you want to assign credit/blame is a separate discussion.

His claim is the economy was growing when Clinton, Obama and Biden left office. It's a false claim because under no economic measure is going into a recession a sign of a growing economy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

True. You don't know much.

The difference being that I keep trying and you do not. Sad.

My parents are dead.

Were they dead in the 80s? Care to lie some more, anymouse?

 

[cawacko]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5037307-republicans-consequences-trump/

There’s a quiet but intense debate going on today in America, over how and whether the country will function over the next few years.

Despite Republicans having an ostensible House majority for the last two years, it has been Democrats who have done all the actual governing. More House Democrats than House Republicans have voted for the bills funding the government, authorizing our national defense programs and raising the debt ceiling. In short, the House Republican caucus has been so dysfunctional that neither Kevin McCarthy nor Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) could have kept the lights on without Democratic votes.

There is no reason to think the next Congress — with an even narrower House Republican majority — will be any different. So the question is, should congressional Democrats continue to bail out Republicans, or should they let them sink or swim on their own?


If Johnson wants to do something that’s good for America, shouldn’t Democrats lend him their support regardless of whether his own caucus backs him or not? Shouldn’t Democrats act responsibly even when Republicans won’t?

Surprisingly, there’s a correct answer here. And it comes, of all places, from the field of addiction recovery.

For the last two years, Democrats have thought they were acting in the country’s best interests by helping Republicans govern. They have not been. They meant well, but they have actually been protecting voters from the consequences of Republican dysfunction and enabling bad Republican behavior.

Republican politicians are now addicted to drama, outrage and “owning the libs.” When you shield addicts from the consequences of their actions, you’re not doing them any favors. All you are doing is enabling their addiction.

The same goes for their voters. Many are hooked on the political performance and continue to elect unserious, bomb-throwing zealots who pander on social media for the clicks and the television appearances. But Congress is not a reality television show. In real life, dysfunction has consequences.

The country won’t be on the road to recovery until it is allowed to experience those consequences. If that means giving free rein to the collection of clowns with flamethrowers that now passes for the Republican Party, so be it. Democrats should resist the urge to intervene when the inevitable happens and they set themselves on fire.


For the next two years, Democrats have no responsibility to govern. They should focus on politics instead and take a longer view of the country’s best interests. If, for example, House Democrats had allowed Republican dysfunction to shut down the government in September, they almost certainly would have won a House majority in November. A few weeks of furloughed workers and shuttered national parks would have been a small price to pay for an effective check against Donald Trump’s plans for an American autocracy. Democrats should be practicing tough love and allowing Republicans to inflict pain on themselves, even if that also inflicts some pain on the country.

Isn’t this the debate the party out of power inevitably has? It is always easier to run for Office when things aren’t going well and people desire change. Of course, people in office don’t want to be seen as actively rooting for the country’s failure either.

So for those in office but out of power, it’s like this cat and mouse game where you both want to look like you were trying yet aren’t going to shed any tears if things go poorly.

(One might say that’s a cynical view and I suppose there are some who don’t hold it. but the article was written for a reason.)

 

[Magats_Love_NHB]

 

[Daylight63]

Thanks joe biden

Yup. And to think Joe caused ALL OF IT. Every last bit of it. The man is evil. I think we all have to accept that.

I mean, people HAD to know he was evil when he sat in the Rose Garden all those times catching and eating kittens! But his followers just wrote it off as "Oh that's just Joe!" and went on as if nothing was wrong.

 

[Nomad]

How bad must your candidate have been that America preferred a dumpster fire to a cackling kamal and a tampon. You people.NEVER stop to think before you speak. It's a sign of weak mindedness

It's nobody's fault that half the country are idiots, but the idiots themselves.

Take you for example....

 

[Into the Night]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5037307-republicans-consequences-trump/

There’s a quiet but intense debate going on today in America, over how and whether the country will function over the next few years.

Despite Republicans having an ostensible House majority for the last two years, it has been Democrats who have done all the actual governing. More House Democrats than House Republicans have voted for the bills funding the government, authorizing our national defense programs and raising the debt ceiling. In short, the House Republican caucus has been so dysfunctional that neither Kevin McCarthy nor Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) could have kept the lights on without Democratic votes.

There is no reason to think the next Congress — with an even narrower House Republican majority — will be any different. So the question is, should congressional Democrats continue to bail out Republicans, or should they let them sink or swim on their own?


If Johnson wants to do something that’s good for America, shouldn’t Democrats lend him their support regardless of whether his own caucus backs him or not? Shouldn’t Democrats act responsibly even when Republicans won’t?

Surprisingly, there’s a correct answer here. And it comes, of all places, from the field of addiction recovery.

For the last two years, Democrats have thought they were acting in the country’s best interests by helping Republicans govern. They have not been. They meant well, but they have actually been protecting voters from the consequences of Republican dysfunction and enabling bad Republican behavior.

Republican politicians are now addicted to drama, outrage and “owning the libs.” When you shield addicts from the consequences of their actions, you’re not doing them any favors. All you are doing is enabling their addiction.

The same goes for their voters. Many are hooked on the political performance and continue to elect unserious, bomb-throwing zealots who pander on social media for the clicks and the television appearances. But Congress is not a reality television show. In real life, dysfunction has consequences.

The country won’t be on the road to recovery until it is allowed to experience those consequences. If that means giving free rein to the collection of clowns with flamethrowers that now passes for the Republican Party, so be it. Democrats should resist the urge to intervene when the inevitable happens and they set themselves on fire.


For the next two years, Democrats have no responsibility to govern. They should focus on politics instead and take a longer view of the country’s best interests. If, for example, House Democrats had allowed Republican dysfunction to shut down the government in September, they almost certainly would have won a House majority in November. A few weeks of furloughed workers and shuttered national parks would have been a small price to pay for an effective check against Donald Trump’s plans for an American autocracy. Democrats should be practicing tough love and allowing Republicans to inflict pain on themselves, even if that also inflicts some pain on the country.

You are not saviors, moron. You are the problem.

 

[Into the Night]

Typical MAGAt misogyny and racism.

DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR RACISM ON ANYBODY ELSE, SYBIL!

 

[Into the Night]

The Democrat presidents of the 21st century left office with the economy in tatters, and left it to Conservatives to clean up the mess

FTFY

 

[Into the Night]

Obama, Biden, and Clinton left office with a solid and growing economy.

Blatant lie.

Obama called the economic depression during his administration the "New Normal". That economic depression lasted a year in to the Trump administration.

Democrats caused the current economic depression. Since Biden was installed, the dollar has lost 37% of it's value.

When Clinton was in office, much of domestic industry was destroyed and sent overseas to China.

The Carter administration tried price controls, resulting in shortages (remember the gas lines??).

DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT MISMANAGEMENT ON TRUMP!

 

[Into the Night]

Clinton, yes. Obama and Biden, no.

Shipping jobs overseas is not a 'good economy', dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Bullshit you're retarded. Clinton left with a surplus that's all you got. Biden out us in the toilet you moron

Clinton did NOT leave with a surplus. There NEVER WAS a surplus. It was all word games.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR RACISM ON ANYBODY ELSE, SYBIL!

^^^
Classic MAGAt.

Sybil is a good fit with his fellow MAGAts and America haters:

How bad must your candidate have been that America preferred a dumpster fire to a cackling kamal and a tampon. You people.NEVER stop to think before you speak. It's a sign of weak mindedness

True. You don't know much.



Are you saying fire is a weapon?


How is a weapon trained? A weapon has no mind to train, much less fire.



My parents are dead. Even if they weren't what would my parent's tax dollars have to do w/ training weapons (which can't be done, weapons have no mind to train.)? Leave them out of this.
None of this makes an ounce of sense.

Now I see why you accuse half the board of being drunks.
You're obviously quite drunk at the moment.

Irrelevant appeal to popularity fallacy. Republicans generally don't want to spend like drunken sailors and expand government at every turn. Democrats do.


See how well that worked for either party in the past. It's one of the reasons today the Democrats are out of power.


Define "good for America." Was the nearly $2 trillion in new spending Biden was handed in 2021 "good for America?" If Johnson wants to defund a significant portion of the federal bureaucracy and get rid of it, is that "good for America?"


Myopic at best, ignorant at worst. The Left--the Democrat party today--operates largely, if not entirely, on the principle of What's ours is ours, what's yours is negotiable. That is, it won't compromise on anything where it has to give up something it wants.


This is myopic too. Two impeachments, the Jan 6 committee... The Left of the Democrat party are the ultimate drama queens. They do shit daily that isn't in the best interests of the nation.



Look no further than the Left of the Democrat party for those "bomb-throwing zealots who pander..."


The country will never recover so long as the Left has political power. That's a provable fact from dozens, hundreds, of other Leftist governments running (ruining?) things in nations around the world.

Democrats have responsibility to govern where they were elected. Your version is nothing but a childish tantrum--so frequent the case on the Left when they fail to get their way--to fight adults trying to act responsibly.

As for a government shut down, ask Newt Gingrich how well that worked...

 

[Litmus]

The first six months of Trump's administration will reveal the direction of the country. Specifically how much the Republican Congress supports his nominees and agenda.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5037307-republicans-consequences-trump/

There’s a quiet but intense debate going on today in America, over how and whether the country will function over the next few years.

Despite Republicans having an ostensible House majority for the last two years, it has been Democrats who have done all the actual governing. More House Democrats than House Republicans have voted for the bills funding the government, authorizing our national defense programs and raising the debt ceiling. In short, the House Republican caucus has been so dysfunctional that neither Kevin McCarthy nor Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) could have kept the lights on without Democratic votes.

There is no reason to think the next Congress — with an even narrower House Republican majority — will be any different. So the question is, should congressional Democrats continue to bail out Republicans, or should they let them sink or swim on their own?


If Johnson wants to do something that’s good for America, shouldn’t Democrats lend him their support regardless of whether his own caucus backs him or not? Shouldn’t Democrats act responsibly even when Republicans won’t?

Surprisingly, there’s a correct answer here. And it comes, of all places, from the field of addiction recovery.

For the last two years, Democrats have thought they were acting in the country’s best interests by helping Republicans govern. They have not been. They meant well, but they have actually been protecting voters from the consequences of Republican dysfunction and enabling bad Republican behavior.

Republican politicians are now addicted to drama, outrage and “owning the libs.” When you shield addicts from the consequences of their actions, you’re not doing them any favors. All you are doing is enabling their addiction.

The same goes for their voters. Many are hooked on the political performance and continue to elect unserious, bomb-throwing zealots who pander on social media for the clicks and the television appearances. But Congress is not a reality television show. In real life, dysfunction has consequences.

The country won’t be on the road to recovery until it is allowed to experience those consequences. If that means giving free rein to the collection of clowns with flamethrowers that now passes for the Republican Party, so be it. Democrats should resist the urge to intervene when the inevitable happens and they set themselves on fire.


For the next two years, Democrats have no responsibility to govern. They should focus on politics instead and take a longer view of the country’s best interests. If, for example, House Democrats had allowed Republican dysfunction to shut down the government in September, they almost certainly would have won a House majority in November. A few weeks of furloughed workers and shuttered national parks would have been a small price to pay for an effective check against Donald Trump’s plans for an American autocracy. Democrats should be practicing tough love and allowing Republicans to inflict pain on themselves, even if that also inflicts some pain on the country.

Rubber stamping the destructive globalist agenda isn't work, it's corruption.

yo're relieved of duty now, ass tards.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Rubber stamping the destructive globalist agenda isn't work, it's corruption.

yo're relieved of duty now, ass tards.

Your mental illness makes you easy to manipulate into becoming a patsy, Fredo.

Do you still affiliate with a militia? Are you pushing you to go on a "mission"?

 

[Litmus]

Your mental illness makes you easy to manipulate into becoming a patsy, Fredo.

Do you still affiliate with a militia? Are you pushing you to go on a "mission"?

do you still secretly huff your own gas from a repurposed douche bag?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

do you still secretly huff your own gas from a repurposed douche bag?

No, Fredo, but it's interesting that you ran from the question.

Your best way to survive, and to protect the name of your family, is to turn yourself into law enforcement and give them the names of your domestic terrorist friends.

 

[Litmus]

No, Fredo, but it's interesting that you ran from the question.

Your best way to survive, and to protect the name of your family, is to turn yourself into law enforcement and give them the names of your domestic terrorist friends.

if you secretly still huffed your own gas it would still be a secret, amirite?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

if you secretly still huffed your own gas it would still be a secret, amirite?

Why would I do that, Fredo? Is that what you do when bored in your room? Have you considered more constructive hobbies?

Why do you run from admitting you are in danger from your militia friends?