America voted for a dumpster fire — Democrats just need to let it burn itself out

Magats_Love_NHB said:

There’s a quiet but intense debate going on today in America, over how and whether the country will function over the next few years.

Despite Republicans having an ostensible House majority for the last two years, it has been Democrats who have done all the actual governing. More House Democrats than House Republicans have voted for the bills funding the government, authorizing our national defense programs and raising the debt ceiling. In short, the House Republican caucus has been so dysfunctional that neither Kevin McCarthy nor Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) could have kept the lights on without Democratic votes.

There is no reason to think the next Congress — with an even narrower House Republican majority — will be any different. So the question is, should congressional Democrats continue to bail out Republicans, or should they let them sink or swim on their own?


If Johnson wants to do something that’s good for America, shouldn’t Democrats lend him their support regardless of whether his own caucus backs him or not? Shouldn’t Democrats act responsibly even when Republicans won’t?

Surprisingly, there’s a correct answer here. And it comes, of all places, from the field of addiction recovery.

For the last two years, Democrats have thought they were acting in the country’s best interests by helping Republicans govern. They have not been. They meant well, but they have actually been protecting voters from the consequences of Republican dysfunction and enabling bad Republican behavior.

Republican politicians are now addicted to drama, outrage and “owning the libs.” When you shield addicts from the consequences of their actions, you’re not doing them any favors. All you are doing is enabling their addiction.

The same goes for their voters. Many are hooked on the political performance and continue to elect unserious, bomb-throwing zealots who pander on social media for the clicks and the television appearances. But Congress is not a reality television show. In real life, dysfunction has consequences.

The country won’t be on the road to recovery until it is allowed to experience those consequences. If that means giving free rein to the collection of clowns with flamethrowers that now passes for the Republican Party, so be it. Democrats should resist the urge to intervene when the inevitable happens and they set themselves on fire.


For the next two years, Democrats have no responsibility to govern. They should focus on politics instead and take a longer view of the country’s best interests. If, for example, House Democrats had allowed Republican dysfunction to shut down the government in September, they almost certainly would have won a House majority in November. A few weeks of furloughed workers and shuttered national parks would have been a small price to pay for an effective check against Donald Trump’s plans for an American autocracy. Democrats should be practicing tough love and allowing Republicans to inflict pain on themselves, even if that also inflicts some pain on the country.
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I agree that there is a possibility that Trump burns the party to the ground. I doubt it, however. Who was it in the Republican Party that just fired a shot at RFK about going after the polio vaccine? Republicans have bent the knee to Trump in a way that I find disgusting, but they aren't dumb. I don't foresee them letting Trump, RFK or any of his cabinet, that is apparently affirmative action for clowns, do any long-term damage to the party.
 
Yakuda said:
How bad must your candidate have been that America preferred a dumpster fire to a cackling kamal and a tampon. You people.NEVER stop to think before you speak. It's a sign of weak mindedness
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This is true. I voted third party because I refuse to support either of the horrible candidates, but that's a separate topic from whether or not Republicans are going to let Trump and his cabinets do any damage to the Republican Party.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Clinton is a debatable case, Obama and Biden aren't. The metrics the Democrats, Left, and apologists for the three use are the same crappy ones they trot out for Biden now. When you look closer at the economy and take in other metrics, their claims are based on smoke and mirrors.
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All anyone has to do is compare it w/ Republicans.

The older Bush left office w/ a Recession. The younger Bush left during a crash. Trump left losing more jobs than any President in modern American history.

Clinton was President during the biggest boom we've had. Obama led the longest peacetime recovery. 15 million jobs were added under Biden and he saw the stock market break records while in office.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No, Fredo, but it's interesting that you ran from the question.

Your best way to survive, and to protect the name of your family, is to turn yourself into law enforcement and give them the names of your domestic terrorist friends.
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What 'terrorist friends', Sybil?????

You are hallucinating again.
 
BartenderElite said:
All anyone has to do is compare it w/ Republicans.

The older Bush left office w/ a Recession. The younger Bush left during a crash. Trump left losing more jobs than any President in modern American history.
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Trump didn't lose any jobs. DEMOCRATS caused the current economic depression.
BartenderElite said:
Clinton was President during the biggest boom we've had. Obama led the longest peacetime recovery. 15 million jobs were added under Biden and he saw the stock market break records while in office.
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Government jobs are just welfare, dude.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't see economic bubbles like that as something necessarily created by the President or politics. Biden and the Democrats created the high inflation of the first two years of his term. Obama created economic disasters like Obamacare and high gas prices as an example.
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BartenderElite said:
All anyone has to do is compare it w/ Republicans.

The older Bush left office w/ a Recession.
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DEMOCRATS caused that economic depression. DEMOCRATS caused the current economic depression.
BartenderElite said:
The younger Bush left during a crash.
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No crash.
BartenderElite said:
Trump left losing more jobs than any President in modern American history.
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DEMOCRATS caused the current economic depression.
BartenderElite said:
Clinton was President during the biggest boom we've had.
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Shipping jobs overseas is not a 'boom'.
BartenderElite said:
Obama led the longest peacetime recovery.
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An economic depression is not a 'recovery'. Obama even called that economic depression the "New Normal".
BartenderElite said:
15 million jobs were added under Biden and he saw the stock market break records while in office.
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Inflation is not wealth. You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy. Government jobs are just another form of welfare.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree that there is a possibility that Trump burns the party to the ground. I doubt it, however. Who was it in the Republican Party that just fired a shot at RFK about going after the polio vaccine? Republicans have bent the knee to Trump in a way that I find disgusting, but they aren't dumb. I don't foresee them letting Trump, RFK or any of his cabinet, that is apparently affirmative action for clowns, do any long-term damage to the party.
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Possibly
 
Yes please tell your senators to confirm Trump's first picks and to vote absent on policy so we can get this dumpster fire burnt out quickly.
 
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