APP - American Conservatives are Embarrassing

Note the intelligent reply above. Is there any wonder conservatism is a constant failure and a useless ideology.

An book from the past is still worth a read, check out 'Conservatives Without Conscience' by John W. Dean. Any easy read but it details well the empty ideology some call conservative.

"Conservatives are inclined to use the powers of government to prevent change or to limit its rate to whatever appeals to the more timid mind. In looking forward, they lack the faith in the spontaneous forces of adjustment which makes the liberal accept changes without apprehension, even though he does not know how the necessary adaptations will be brought about." Friedrich Hayek, Why I Am Not a Conservative

"Conservatives are inclined to use the powers of government to prevent change or to limit its rate to whatever appeals to the more timid mind. In looking forward, they lack the faith in the spontaneous forces of adjustment which makes the liberal accept changes without apprehension, even though he does not know how the necessary adaptations will be brought about." Friedrich Hayek, Why I Am Not a Conservative
 
midcan5 said:
That makes no sense, there may be something there but it is hidden to all. Please clarify.

PS please stop censoring freedom of speech in America, allow everyone to chime in on your threads, and maybe then you'd learn clarity.
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I seriously doubt that. You might be trolling on this one thread but ILA has made one huge mockery of APP with his trolling. I've complained to the Mods about ILA's trolling APP and several have agreed his trolling defeats the purpose of APP. Several other Mods view ILA as their pet Monkey and find his antics cute.

The fact that ILA is rarely engaged in meaningful debate in APP because it's so glaringly obvious that he's only interested in trolling is the proof of the pudding.
 
midcan5 said:
"By an accident of birth, I fall into the White Guy category. To keep this on a positive note, let’s call it my brand. And that means that if other people with my outward characteristics do dumb-ass things, it reflects on my brand." Scott Adams

White conservative Americans have become an embarrassment. I know that's not politically correct, but face it folks we are starting to look like a nation of idiots. Think about that for a minute. Our white conservative Congress is voting again to repeal healthcare, you know healthcare that is slavery. Texas Governor Greg Abbott wants to make America Somalia, no need to obey federal laws - articles of Confederation redux. Kansas Governor Brownback bought into the insane idea idea that reducing taxes brings forth magic. Now the state is a mess. Kansas is just one state run by a white conservative republican. Was Brownback alive in 2008 and 2009 or was he lost in some imaginary supply side universe. Laffer is so appropriate a name.

What's the matter with white America is the question of the day. Recently a group of white militia conservatives took over a garage sized nature center in Oregon because they have the mental acuity of a spoiled five year old. Give children guns and they soon think they are warriors. Reminds you of a five year old who won't come in for dinner. One wonders what the idiots will do when tourist season arrives, maybe they'll give 'take over nation' demonstrations one garage at a time. If another American had asked for this land it would be welfare, how is it America belongs to the select few white Americans? The nation's Indians should tell them they're way late.

Then we have Maine Governor Paul LePage, of course everyone knows racism is alive and well in America, that is except white Americans, they think they are colorblind, try really hard to forget their narratives. Didn't a Marxist Kenyan president change all that. One can only wonder at the level of insanity when a woman becomes president. She is white, will that help? Are you kidding me. Anyone watch the Benghazi hearing. If hate required a face there were plenty of opportunities. Can you spell just plan nuts. And Deez even got some votes.

Anyone watching the republican debates would marvel at the level of dialogue, when it isn't the same reduce taxes on corporations and the wealthy and the economic genie will appear, they are upping each other like some chest pumping pretend wrestler, bomb em all. Bomb em all, bomb em all, is it fear, paranoia, everything has become Munich. Have any of them served in the military, had they maybe a rational thought would arrive.

Have you seen the crowds at Trump rallies, cheering the blond platitude, an inherited real-estate developer, now the darling of white conservative America. Trump engages in so much hyperbole, historians and sane media journalists now require therapy. While Nazi references are badly overused by these conservative republicans, recently a Muslim woman stood up and was escorted to door, that wasn't the proper sign of allegiance to a mountebank wearing a trite slogan. Remember the Gay soldier. Booing in this crowd is a substitute for thought.

And this comedy of white conservative sloganeering would just be funny until someone like Governor Rick Snyder poisons the people of Flint, Michigan to save a buck. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker isn't just dumb, he wants all the citizens of Wisconsin on an equal level. Why fund education when anyone who isn't as extreme as you is just not conservative enough. How many teachers does Governor Rick Perry want to fire, he can't remember that either. And then there is Rick Scott. Any need to go on.

Have you noticed none of the republican governors support education. This would be funny until you look at the warriors in Oregon, or the tea party signs to keep government out of their medicare, or poisoned water, add tornadoes and floods which only matter if you happen to be in one. Education is power, it is feared by the powerful for it focuses attention on cause rather than aimless finger pointing. Pay close attention to Governors and candidates who listen the likes of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson.

"If we held the White House, taxes would be lower, spending slowed and the military strengthened...." Governor Nikki R. Haley of South Carolina responds to the SOTU. She forgot 'freedom.' If a listener read history they know how often these same words are used, and they'd know too how meaningless they are. Can you spell voodoo or oligarchy.

Idiocy mixed with fear is so dangerous a mindset, anyone find those WMDs or witness the wonderful spread of democracy in the Middle East? If you have, let the rest of America know. So long as big money buffoons, corporate lobbies, think tanks that do anything but think exist, militiamen armed with AK15s isn't a reality show, it is reality.

It would give solace to the sane American if after President Obama's term, sanity in America returned, but given the House under 'missing a heart Ryan' is still voting to end slavery, aka healthcare, no hope is in sight. It has to be clear now, elect a conservative white governor and your state gets dumber, you lose healthcare, your environment is polluted, and your state goes into massive debt. All the while they throw out, weakness, appeasement, surrender, Chamberlain, again and again, is there any hope white America.

If anyone has an idea on how sane white Americans, who still believe in a land of promise, inclusion, fairness, and accomplishment can separate themselves from dumb white America. Please, please let America know. By the way, suggested forehead tattoos, would help but people do occasionally change. Imagine for a minute the Donald's audience cheering bigotry, slogans waving, 'make America great again', Palin rambling, dissenting Americans booed, and you witness the absurd theater white conservative republicans have created. And so it goes....

Source Information:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/136879450111/working-on-the-white-guy-brand
http://www.alternet.org/story/150392/the_8_worst_governors_in_america
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/14/tha...ulous_you_and_the_conservative_movement_look/
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/156038
https://aeon.co/opinions/why-bullshit-is-no-laughing-matter


Reading

'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López
'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism' by Thomas E. Mann, Norman J. Ornstein
'Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong' by James W. Loewen
'Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free' by Charles P. Pierce
'Liberty Under Siege: American Politics, 1976-1988' by Walter Karp
'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
'American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill
'A Bubble in Time: America During the Interwar Years, 1989-2001' by William L. O'Neill
'Coming Apart: An Informal History of America in the 1960s' by William L. O'Neill


'The American conservative has become a sort of trained bumpkin, they outsource their work and pay them nothing and he unconsciously blames government when she doesn't blame some racial or ethnic group. Years of training have made them puppets. One could say corporate puppets, the corporations play them like children. Has the conservative always been this naive a tool of others? Maybe they have, for power knows all you need to do is have an enemy to occupy them. When it isn't government it's progress, or for some conservatives it's another human being of difference. I guess when one's mind is empty of education or history, it gives comfort to know satan caused all that is wrong. Satan can be whatever the powers that be tell them. No need to name names' mc5


And I give you this idiot to add to the point. http://www.sltrib.com/home/3441922-155/story.html
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I cannot, in good conscience, be anything but Conservative and I absolutely LOVE being white. My family's white (no adoptive siblings), my friends are all white, there's only two non-whites on my entire block, and the vast majority of my family and friends are Conservative.

It doesn't get much better than this, so why in the hell would I ever say that I'm white by accident? Unless, of course, I'm a malcontent and I hate both my life and myself.
 
Granule said:
I cannot, in good conscience, be anything but Conservative and I absolutely LOVE being white. My family's white (no adoptive siblings), my friends are all white, there's only two non-whites on my entire block, and the vast majority of my family and friends are Conservative.

It doesn't get much better than this, so why in the hell would I ever say that I'm white by accident? Unless, of course, I'm a malcontent and I hate both my life and myself.
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No one is white, white is a social construct based on skin tone, biology and evolution in other words. Stand next to a white car if you doubt that. Every one is conservative and liberal and everything in between. Again that is another immaterial construct made up to separate people in America. But I can't tell if you are being facetious? If you're brave get a DNA test and see just how ??? you are.

No nation was ever founded by conservatives, no positive policy was ever created by conservatives, in order to do something, anything, they'd have to stop whining and pointing fingers, but then what would they to be.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/educa...history-of-the-united-states-post6429110.html


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill
 
"The worth of the state, in the long run, is the worth of the individuals composing it." John Stuart Mill

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...deology-through-History&p=1293479#post1293479


"Every age that has historical status is governed by aristocracies.Aristocracy with the meaning - the best are ruling.Peoples do never govern themselves. That lunacy was concocted by liberalism. Behind its people's sovereignty the slyest cheaters are hiding, who don't want to be recognized." Joseph Goebbels
 
midcan5 said:
'Can America's political discourse get any cruder?'

"Forgotten by the fevered crowd was the supposedly bedrock conservative principle that people are responsible for their own actions, and that it's time to stop blaming society."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/neil-macdonald-sarah-palin-1.3416452


Conservatives must now face the monster they have created after sixty years of disparaging government, why all of a sudden would they think their idea of government is better than another. Nations deteriorate from the inside, the destruction of America started in earnest with Ronald Reagan and the rise of oligarchy. Sixty years on, an education that excluded diversity, reality, science, history, and every other American value has had great impact. Mirrors are obviously missing at the National Review and other conservative locations. The scary thing is, Trump and Cruz could actually be more extreme and they'd still appeal to the conservative American. Doubters check Iowa voting. The apologetics begin.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-potemkin-village-of-conservatism/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/movement-conservatism-vs-trump/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/talking-trumps-chances/
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I completely agree with this.
 
I was glad to see this thread has had so many views, it's a positive for American democracy when ideas are read and thought about. Trump is much worse than even I had imagined. He is the spoiled self centered rich boy thrown into a position in which his immaturity shows clearly. Americans raised with a silver spoon have so bizarre a sense of reality. When your every whim is praised by your nanny and psychologist your life is an isolated world, you do not mature nor ever grow up. Sad.

"It can be tempting to latch onto one of Donald Trump’s less-admirable qualities and assign it almost supernatural explanatory power. The way to understand the chaos he’s unleashed is through his narcissism. His showmanship. His anger. (That last one was mine.) I have come to fear, though, that we’ve been neglecting our president’s stupidity. Americans knew evil was banal, but we never dreamed it could be this dumb." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...17/05/how_to_manage_your_idiot_president.html
 
A piece to help you understand conservatives and why they follow so easily when fear is used on them.

"After an electoral season that blurred the line between fact and fantasy, a team of UCLA researchers is offering new evidence to support a controversial proposition: that when it comes to telling the difference between truth and fiction, not all potential voters see it the same way."

http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...ive-believe-false-threats-20170202-story.html

"Conservatives thrive on a world filled with mysterious evil and unfathomable hatreds, where good is always on the defensive and time is a precious commodity in the cosmic race against corruption and decline." Corey Robin 'The Reactionary Mind'
 
Did anyone else find it embarrassing the way the Trump cabinet and his staff blessed him this past week? Was that un-American or what, when did Americans bow down to a person. Reminds one of the fascist leaders ans their sycophants.

And what's with all these lawyers? Now American taxpayers are paying for his facilities and his constant golfing. Sad.
 
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