And like that, America's history is scrubbed

anatta said:
legit question.
it exposes the person ( usuallyin their glory) to the masses, or in some cases memorializes a particular event.

I dont know about you, but I lived in Maryland as a kid, ( a civil war buffer state)
and there were battlefields all around.

I got interested in the battles, and then wanted to know about the men as a measure to understand that chaotic time
the men ( and few women) drove the events with even their personalities at time..it like a public biography for those interested
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OK, but none of those monuments make mention of their racism or support of slavery. So those statues that do what you say are literally erasing history in that regard.
 
BartenderElite said:
Wowzers - did you just justify fighting for slavery, very casually?

And you need to read up on some more history. Not all of the statues - but some were definitely put up by sore losers who still needed to assert white supremacy.

No wonder you're fighting so hard over this. Very telling post, anatta.
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JFC. such 21st century wokeness BS from you,,

you DO UNDERSTAND THE REASON SLAVERY WAS ESTABLISHED? that's called a "fact" not "justification"

Of course some were put up for Jim Crow reasons,but far from ALL of them but the Woke crowd does'nt GAF why.
Just tear everything down without even considering why they were there
 
LV426 said:
OK, but none of those monuments make mention of their racism or support of slavery. So those statues that do what you say are literally erasing history in that regard.
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the most important reason is what they did for historical reasons, like battles etc. the reasons for teh memorial
so if you are interested, then you can search further..
 
anatta said:
For years, Democrats and those on the left have been trying to suppress America’s true history — the one that tells of American Exceptionalism, the one that speaks of the genius of the Founding Fathers, the one that speaks of freedoms for the individual as coming from God, not government.

And now, with George Floyd, they’re having their moment in the sun.

The left is on a rampage right now, busily tearing down any semblance of American history from America’s public eye.

The destroyers are everywhere.

In Washington, D.C., it was the World War II Memorial and fountain that were targeted by vandals who spray-painted, “Do black vets count?” And the Paralyzed Veterans of America’s headquarters. And the Department of Veterans Affairs headquarters. And several spots in the vicinity of the White House.

There are more, there are many more.

The protesters are supposedly angry at police brutality and systemic police racism.

But tearing down national monuments and defacing expressions of American history are acts of ISIS terrorists.

That such defacement is occurring on a widespread scale right now is not only a sad commentary on the tensions currently tearing at America’s fabric. But it’s also a sad, even sadder face-slapping reality show of how our schools are failing our emerging generations.

If true history were still taught in the public schools, angry youth wouldn’t be roaming the streets looking to lash out at some of the very foundations that helped make America so great and free in the first place. If places of higher learning in America hadn’t become breeding grounds for far-leftist professors to implant their propaganda, educated idiots wouldn’t be trampling over the symbols of America Past, trying to blot out the offensive and with it, the truths.

Simply put, a statue of Robert E. Lee doesn’t represent a national worship of Robert E. Lee. It only represents the historical contributions Robert E. Lee made in America — historical contributions that are irrefutably substantial.

Who would Black Lives Matter rather have as the faces of America’s monuments and memorials and statues? Or, to use the statue-destroyers’ standard: Who is perfect enough to be a face of America’s monuments and memorials and statues? Unless the answer is Jesus, it’s a lie.

America is not without sin. America doesn’t have a sinless past.

But what America does have is a Constitution and a set of founding documents and principles that lay the groundwork for all citizens, no matter ethnicity, no matter sex, no matter religion, no matter political leanings — but for all citizens to seek, to pursue, to achieve their hopes, goals and dreams in freedom, absent overburdensome government interference.

What America does offer is a set of governing ideals that guarantee a black man the same rights as a white man; that hold a president of the United States to the same judicial standards as a garbage collector; that secure the freedoms of a woman the same as a man — as coming from God, not government.

After all these years of warring and bloodshed, of bickering and disputing, of dying through trying: They’re still there. The dream of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is still alive and well in America, for all to grab at, for all to embrace, no matter race, creed, color, sex, etc.

It’s just that it’s much easier to throw paint on a memorial than it is it to study hard, work hard and stay the course to achieve the dream.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/11/and-like-that-americas-history-is-scrubbed/
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It's easier for fake news crusades like the NY Times' 1619 Project (roundly condemned by historians on all sides for blatantly lying about our Founding to misinform school children) to look valid if there are no monuments acknowledging that there are multiple sides of the story.

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anatta said:
JFC. such 21st century wokeness BS from you,,

you DO UNDERSTAND THE REASON SLAVERY WAS ESTABLISHED? that's called a "fact" not "justification"

Of course some were put up for Jim Crow reasons,but far from ALL of them but the Woke crowd does'nt GAF why.
Just tear everything down without even considering why they were there
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It's now considered "woke" to be honest about the horrors of slavery.

Got it.
 
anatta said:
no you don't "need it" it sparks interest as ive laid out
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No, you've offered an excuse, not an explanation.

A statue doesn't teach history, it glorifies and/or memorializes someone...and that is within the context of the architect, not history.


but look at your ignorance, as you jump to "white supremacy" as the reason for the monuments -such inexact claptrap
Slavery was an economic issue for the south; why it started and why it was fought for
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Yes, the monuments were erected for the purpose of furthering white supremacy. They serve as a tool of intimidation. That is their purpose.
 
LV426 said:
No, you've offered an excuse, not an explanation.

A statue doesn't teach history, it glorifies and/or memorializes someone...and that is within the context of the architect, not history.




Yes, the monuments were erected for the purpose of furthering white supremacy. They serve as a tool of intimidation. That is their purpose.
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,,,,and we're back to the ignorant dirge
 
anatta said:
the most important reason is what they did for historical reasons, like battles etc. the reasons for teh memorial
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Battles fought for what purpose?


so if you are interested, then you can search further..
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No, what your statues do is erase history. This is you literally saying that. You're presenting something without full context and telling people do find out that context for themselves. So then the statue does not do anything for history.
 
LV426 said:
Battles fought for what purpose?
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the battles are of historical interest.
they are extant. you can go from there

LV426 said:
No, what your statues do is erase history. This is you literally saying that. You're presenting something without full context and telling people do find out that context for themselves. So then the statue does not do anything for history.
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you can never get "full context"from any memorial. Even the USS Arizona in Pear Harbor
WTF is wrong with you?
 
LV426 said:
No, you've offered an excuse, not an explanation.

A statue doesn't teach history, it glorifies and/or memorializes someone...and that is within the context of the architect, not history.




Yes, the monuments were erected for the purpose of furthering white supremacy. They serve as a tool of intimidation. That is their purpose.
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Tel gnat if he wants to read a lionization of slavery there are still books setting forth that history and he can jerk off in private.
 
anatta said:
the battles are of historical interest.
they are extant. you can go from there
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So you are erasing history when you refuse to provide the historical context within the statue itself.

Why did the South fight the Civil War? Because they wanted to keep their slaves.

Was that so hard?
 
I think we should commission black artists to sculpt the likeness of Floyd crushing the neck of Jefferson Davis and erect them everywhere these redneck swine need
an education.
 
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