And they don’t understand why Kapernick took a knee.

Stretch said:
rioters. i'm not one-dimensional. whoever is in the wrong...is in the wrong. the cops were wrong. the looters were wrong.
i don't stereotype an entire group. each incident/case is separate and individual.
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Sadly according to some here when there is an injustice done to a black man by a white cop then the black community has every right to riot and loot and destroy private property. That will teach "the man" a lesson, to hell with the fact most of those mom and pop stores are owned by black people.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Simple! There is less respect for the police today. When I was a child I was taught that cops were my friend.
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Yes, I remember back during the dark Obama years, the dog whistles from the White House egging on police assassinations. Serving Black Lies Matters steak dinners after their killings.
 
Mr.Mason said:
What pissed me off,after all that.
He didn't vote.What kind of activist doesn't vote.
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Kap is a moron. He had the attention of the entire nation during one of the most important elections in history. Not only did he do nothing to make real change via voting at the local levels, he didn't even vote. He 'doesn't think it matters'.

He's a fool. Doesn't mean that kneeling is wrong. He's just too stupid to take the next step.


Of course, he isn't even black, so it means little or nothing to him. Still doesn't make it wrong to kneel.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Yea most of those candy assed pussies have seen combat and could kick your sorry ass right off the fucking planet. Dick sucker that you are. Back on ignore, you are still a worthless piece of shit.
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Hey pussy. What do you think of the black soldiers who returned home with no basic rights in this nation?
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Sadly according to some here when there is an injustice done to a black man by a white cop then the black community has every right to riot and loot and destroy private property. That will teach "the man" a lesson, to hell with the fact most of those mom and pop stores are owned by black people.
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Just had a half-century-ago flashback. My parents and some other adults in my life said the exact same shit about the civil rights and anti-war protests/riots in the 1960s.

Just like it did in the 1770s, sometimes liberty and freedom come at a price.

21st Century "conservatives" = 18th Century Tories.
 
cawacko said:
I think there's an element of good news on that front in that at the state level we're seeing both red and blue states looking at reform and how we can reduce our prison population.

I agree with the need for prison reform and that locking up more people is not beneficial for society. I'll offer a personal conundrum however. The war on drugs has been a failure. Yet, if you can imagine, in San Francisco the brazen open drug dealing and drug use has gotten even worse. On one hand you become so accustom to it that you internalize it as normal but on the other hand it's not acceptable.

And I totally agree that we lock up too many non violent criminals. In California, or at least the Bay Area, we made stealing less than $1K worth of goods no longer a felony and basically said we aren't going to pursue charges against people. Now we have groups of people going into stores during broad daylight stealing things off shelves with no concerns at all. Short of someone being anti-capitalist or anarchists I don't imagine most people want to see that.

So it's like this back and forth between the need for less people in prison and how much of the type of activity like above are we willing to tolerate.
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Those are very good points but it goes back to the question “why don’t other countries have this problem and what can we learn from them?”.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Your token nod to the naughty policeman is noted. Too bad you had to ruin it with bashing the protesters. Sometimes it's a good time to STFU.
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Protestors?

Burning down buildings and destroying businesses is not protesting, it's criminal.

Seeing the jungle on fires removes any sympathy I ever had for this situation.
 
Althea said:
Well...many nations simply kill or maim criminals.
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That’s not true. Only a few do. For the sake of discussion though let’s just limit our discussion to modern industrialized nations that are liberal democracies in one form or the other.

The same would still apply in that they have lower crime rates, lower incarceration rates, fewer persons in prison, fewer prisons AND fewer or no executions of criminals. What are they doing right that we are not?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Just had a half-century-ago flashback. My parents and some other adults in my life said the exact same shit about the civil rights and anti-war protests/riots in the 1960s.

Just like it did in the 1770s, sometimes liberty and freedom come at a price.

21st Century "conservatives" = 18th Century Tories.
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There is no equivalence to anarchy and liberty and freedom

The Constitution provides equal justice for all. If a rogue policeman violates that equal justice, there is a remedy...the law.

Condoning anarchy where there is a legal remedy is not revolunary, it’s condoning anarchy.

You won’t admit or understand this til your business or home is burned to the ground, Mujer de Buho.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Just had a half-century-ago flashback. My parents and some other adults in my life said the exact same shit about the civil rights and anti-war protests/riots in the 1960s.

Just like it did in the 1770s, sometimes liberty and freedom come at a price.

21st Century "conservatives" = 18th Century Tories.
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Sorry but I disagree. Protesting injustice is one thing destroying private property and looting is and entirely different matter. And is in fact it is against federal law.

I cannot recall one act of private party destruction in the 1770s.

21st Century "liberals" = 18th Century privateers.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Sorry but I disagree. Protesting injustice is one thing destroying private property and looting is and entirely different matter. And is in fact it is against federal law.

I cannot recall one act of private party destruction in the 1770s.

21st Century "liberals" = 18th Century privateers.
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Interesting memory you have there, old eagle.

"The Boston Tea Party was a political protest that occurred on December 16, 1773, at Griffin’s Wharf in Boston, Massachusetts. American colonists, frustrated and angry at Britain for imposing “taxation without representation,” dumped 342 chests of tea, imported by the British East India Company into the harbor. The event was the first major act of defiance to British rule over the colonists. It showed Great Britain that Americans wouldn’t take taxation and tyranny sitting down, and rallied American patriots across the 13 colonies to fight for independence."

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/boston-tea-party
 
Althea referenced Kaepernick not being black. I've never heard that before. He was raised by a white family but his (biological) dad was black. Not sure how that makes him not black.

And voting is important. But I do get the position that the mistreatment by cops has been going on for decades in Republican and Democratic areas and under Republican and Democratic administrations and nothing changes. And thus voting has done little in that regard.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm sure you put several hearts on Trump's "THUGS" tweet today too, didn't you?
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Why do you defend criminals?

I was repulsed by what happened to George Floyd but after seeing the buildings burned down and lifelong businesses destroyed, it removes any sympathy I had for the situation.
 
Earl said:
There is no equivalence to anarchy and liberty and freedom

The Constitution provides equal justice for all. If a rogue policeman violates that equal justice, there is a remedy...the law.

Condoning anarchy where there is a legal remedy is not revolunary, it’s condoning anarchy.

You won’t admit or understand this til your business or home is burned to the ground, Mujer de Buho.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Interesting memory you have there, old eagle.

"The Boston Tea Party was a political protest that occurred on December 16, 1773, at Griffin’s Wharf in Boston, Massachusetts. American colonists, frustrated and angry at Britain for imposing “taxation without representation,” dumped 342 chests of tea, imported by the British East India Company into the harbor. The event was the first major act of defiance to British rule over the colonists. It showed Great Britain that Americans wouldn’t take taxation and tyranny sitting down, and rallied American patriots across the 13 colonies to fight for independence."

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/boston-tea-party
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I expected you to pick up on that and here ( as Paul Harvey would say ) is the rest of the story. Was the tea private property? Sorry but it wasn't the Crown ie government had control over the British East India Company so my dear it was not private property. Need any other history lessons just ask. LOL
 
Eagle_Eye said:
I expected you to pick up on that and here ( as Paul Harvey would say ) is the rest of the story. Was the tea private property? Sorry but it wasn't the Crown ie government had control over the British East India Company so my dear it was not private property. Need any other history lessons just ask. LOL
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