And they don’t understand why Kapernick took a knee.

Paul Ryan is a far right loon? Man has amazing talent to be both a RINO and a globalist along with being a far right loon.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Oh, you stepped in it now.

I never google anything. I do not use that search engine. There is a perfectly good and well-informed life without that massive overbearing intrusive corporation in your life. I do not appreciate that corporation trying to think for me, which is what they do. No two users get the same results from a search. That's wrong. And I don't want a search engine collecting information on what I search. That is too intrusive, and a violation of personal privacy. No, that extremely powerful international corporation is not your friend at all. It doesn't care about you. It cares about generating profits. It pries into your life toward that goal.

There are other search engines out there which are far less intrusive. You do not have to just take whatever software and hardware corporations dish out to you. As far as I am concerned, your 'friend' is nothing more than what is commonly called 'bloatware.' I would advise individuals who have never considered their search engine options to wake up, learn what is available, and think for themselves.

Anybody who really thinks a giant international corporation is 'your friend' is being incredibly naive. Real friendship is not that. I would suggest that person reacquaint themselves with the actual friendship of another living breathing human, someone they can identify with on a range of subjects, common interests, and shared experiences.
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You are 100% free my man to not use Google. The meaning of the statement is the information is out there if you desire to look for it.
 
Althea said:
And they scream bloody murder when the black community takes out their frustrations on cops that have nothing to do with this kind of policing. It's misplaced anger, but it gives people a chance to fully experience unnecessary murder.
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I think America needs to take a long hard look at its institutions of law enforcement and ask, if we are the freest people on earth how comes we have more people in prison, for non violent crimes, and more prisons than any nation on earth? Why do other modern wealth nations, including the liberal democracies, have lower crime rates, fewer prisoners and fewer prisons?
 
cawacko said:
Paul Ryan is a far right loon? Man has amazing talent to be both a RINO and a globalist along with being a far right loon.
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I wonder that too. I’m no fan of Ryan but he left his position as SoH for the same reason as his predecessor Boehner (and for similar reasons why I left the GOP. That is a far right minority in the GOP has undermined any attempts to reach compromise to advance needed legislation for purely far right ideological reasons. It just insane that a small but influential minority of political reactionaries representing less than 10% of our population have been able to dominate our government.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I think you missed the point. Christiefan and I were agreeing that most on the RW have made the singing of the Anthem into a litmus test of patriotism, rather than what you said. You all call Kaepernick a traitor and scumbag because he knelt instead of joining in, didn't you? That's the whole point -- you all have made the Anthem into a test, and he failed.
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Read the last line of my post.
If one wishes to show disrespect for the nation they should be prepared for the consequences.
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I have no problem with people not holding their hand over their heart or not rising during the anthem, But to intentionally stand and then drop to the knee shows not only disrespect for the nation but (and you on the left forget this vital factor) they are symbolically thumbing their nose at the men and women who fought and the many that died defending their right not to honor the flag and country. And for that the should be prepared for the fallout.

I support demonstrating against police brutality but demonstrate in the right venue and a sports game or the Olympics ain't one of them!

Please show me where I ever called Kaepernick a traitor! I called him a dirt bag along with other colorful metaphors but never a traitor.
 
Mr.Mason said:
The nation was founded on protest!
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Mason there is a difference between protest and total disrespect. I don't recall the founding fathers calling the king names. They listed their grievances and presented them to the king. Did Kaepernick ever list his grievances to anyone who could rectify the problem I don't recall him doing that so he chose the wrong place and time for his little dog and pony show!
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Read the last line of my post.
I have no problem with people not holding their hand over their heart or not rising during the anthem, But to intentionally stand and then drop to the knee shows not only disrespect for the nation but (and you on the left forget this vital factor) they are symbolically thumbing their nose at the men and women who fought and the many that died defending their right not to honor the flag and country. And for that the should be prepared for the fallout.

I support demonstrating against police brutality but demonstrate in the right venue and a sports game or the Olympics ain't one of them!

Please show me where I ever called Kaepernick a traitor! I called him a dirt bag along with other colorful metaphors but never a traitor.
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So you are making the Anthem a litmus test for patriotism, got it.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Mason there is a difference between protest and total disrespect. I don't recall the founding fathers calling the king names. They listed their grievances and presented them to the king. Did Kaepernick ever list his grievances to anyone who could rectify the problem I don't recall him doing that so he chose the wrong place and time for his little dog and pony show!
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I knew you were old, but not that old :laugh:
 
Phantasmal said:
The military pays the NFL to be patriotic. I had no idea till Kaepernick.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/amount-money-military-gives-nfl.html/
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If your country is that "great again," why would you need to pay ppl to pretend to be patriotic?

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PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



I should have added that the onus to make your point falls upon you.
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There's plenty more info out there. If you claim to want real reform the police union is a huge barrier.


Why police unions protect the worst cops

https://www.vox.com/2014/12/18/7415135/police-unions


Why Are Police Unions Blocking Reform?

Their defense of officers’ working conditions is a barrier to investigating misconduct claims and getting rid of those who break the rules.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/19/why-are-police-unions-blocking-reform


Police Unions Should Never Undermine Constitutional Policing

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-...-unions-should-never-undermine-constitutional
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Mason there is a difference between protest and total disrespect. I don't recall the founding fathers calling the king names. They listed their grievances and presented them to the king. Did Kaepernick ever list his grievances to anyone who could rectify the problem I don't recall him doing that so he chose the wrong place and time for his little dog and pony show!
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I agree wrong place,his employer should have handled it the first time.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
So you are making the Anthem a litmus test for patriotism, got it.
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You're reading something that is not there. What part of "I have no problem with people not holding their hand over their heart or not rising during the anthem, is a litmus test?????? Are you telling me it is perfectly acceptable for me to spread feces around the Lincoln Memorial because a neighbor was given an unwarranted body cavity search. That is exactly what you are saying about Kaepernick, that it is perfectly acceptable to attack the symbols of this nation because you have a grudge against local law enforcement!
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
There's plenty more info out there. If you claim to want real reform the police union is a huge barrier.


Why police unions protect the worst cops

https://www.vox.com/2014/12/18/7415135/police-unions


Why Are Police Unions Blocking Reform?

Their defense of officers’ working conditions is a barrier to investigating misconduct claims and getting rid of those who break the rules.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/19/why-are-police-unions-blocking-reform


Police Unions Should Never Undermine Constitutional Policing

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-...-unions-should-never-undermine-constitutional
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Thanks for the links but I am not going to do a bunch of reading because you wish to select the material. Make quotes to make your argument here. I am a slow reader. I have to wisely consider what I decide to read. I do not appreciate it when people throw a bunch of links and expect me to spend inordinate amounts of time proving their point. Not gonna do that. I cherish my freedom to decide what I do with my time. It's like putting up a video. 3-5 minutes, no problem. I am more inclined to watch that. Over 10 minutes, forget it. I am probably not watching unless I am already interested to.

Sure there is criticism.

There is criticism of the USA.

But we don't advocate for eliminating the USA.

Large organizations always have problems.

Problems can be addressed without drastic measures.

It's called throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Unions serve a purpose. Workers deserve a common united voice to air their grievances. One of the worst attacks on American society has been capitalism's war on unions. It is a direct reason for extreme wealth inequality.

The blue wall is a point of negotiation during times of considering a new contract.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Of course! Because that's somehow "different" than if you or I take advantage of a social program when we are down and out. Then we're moochers.

I've never thought of Libertarians as RW. If anything, a true Libertarian is just the opposite. However, when it comes to voting or supporting whoever is in office at the time, they tend to almost always align with the right, and sometimes the far right.

So, little blackbird, if you don't want everyone to think that you're a crow, don't sit on the telephone wire next to them.
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The Teabag wave brought quite a few deranged Libertarians into the party. They quickly became the unruly children who didn't do the party any favors. They mostly vote Republican, but those who don't care about their vote, typically go third party.
 
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