Another baffling story behind the Left's ongoing love affair with radical Islam

Thing1 said:
I showed Seahawk exactly where he implied what he said he wasn't implying.

Can you show me where I belittled genocide?

Betchya wish you didn't wade haphazardly into the discussion like that. Don't spend your time looking. I never belittled genocide, anywhere, on any thread.
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I didn't say you belittled genocide. I showed you where you used the tit for tat when it comes to making comparisons claiming it was even. I showed you where that statement means you believe it's OK for you to make such comparisons but you whine when others do it and you don't agree. You said I was wrong. Since you believe you can tell others what they say and they're supposed to accept it, are you going to accept it when people tell you what you say or are you going to practice your Liberal hypocrisy and only believe you can do it and it be correct?
 
CFM said:
It's you inferring what you want it to say.
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Explain it to me, then.

We were talking only about the idea that comparing Trump to Hitler is like saying Obama is a Muslim. He wrote: "Like I said in the other thread, you only take comparisons when they fit your beliefs."

How else can that be interpreted? I'd have to accept that Obama is a Muslim, or I'm "only (taking) comparisons when they fit my beliefs." Seems pretty straightforward to me, but I'm all ears.
 
Oh, man - I forgot that CFM was the one who thought that since I said I had decided not to vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War in 2016, it meant that I was hypocritical for doing it in 2004.

This chat ain't going anywhere.
 
Thing1 said:
Explain it to me, then.

We were talking only about the idea that comparing Trump to Hitler is like saying Obama is a Muslim. He wrote: "Like I said in the other thread, you only take comparisons when they fit your beliefs."

How else can that be interpreted? I'd have to accept that Obama is a Muslim, or I'm "only (taking) comparisons when they fit my beliefs." Seems pretty straightforward to me, but I'm all ears.
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Oh, so you're saying that the only way something can be taken is how YOU take it.

If you expect others to accept when you tell them what they believe, unless you accept what people tell you you're saying, you're a hypocrite. What you're saying is that people have to believe you when you apply it to them but you don't have to do the same when it applies to you.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, man - I forgot that CFM was the one who thought that since I said I had decided not to vote for someone who voted for the Iraq War in 2016, it meant that I was hypocritical for doing it in 2004.

This chat ain't going anywhere.
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All I know is you voted for John Kerry. That's enough to prove you're a dumb piece of shit.
 
Thing1 said:
Like I said: you don't think that's what you're saying, but it's what you're saying.

If I think Trump is similar to Hitler, I have to agree that Obama is a Muslim, right? Isn't that what you were implying?
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But 'similar' is where you run into trouble. Obama is 'similar' to a fascist because he uses the power of government to do things he knows he can't through the legislature.

But you would never label Obama a fascist. You hate Trump, so you have no problem with the Hitler comparison.

Pure and simple.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
But 'similar' is where you run into trouble. Obama is 'similar' to a fascist because he uses the power of government to do things he knows he can't through the legislature.

But you would never label Obama a fascist. You hate Trump, so you have no problem with the Hitler comparison.

Pure and simple.
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Please. At a certain point, the scales tip.

Would you say that Obama is a demagogue on the level of Trump?

How about divisions along ethnic, religious & racial lines? Has Obama's rhetoric there come even close to the vitriolic nature of Trump's?

How about naked appeals to nationalism? Is Obama similar in that respect?

If you answered yes to any of those, you just may be a hack.
 
Thing1 said:
Please. At a certain point, the scales tip.

Would you say that Obama is a demagogue on the level of Trump?

How about divisions along ethnic, religious & racial lines? Has Obama's rhetoric there come even close to the vitriolic nature of Trump's?

How about naked appeals to nationalism? Is Obama similar in that respect?

If you answered yes to any of those, you just may be a hack.
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You have his number.
 
anatta said:
The left's problem is taking cues from Obama.
Obama has a vested interest in apologizing for Iraq to the point he went on an apology tour when he was elected.

Obama thought Obama being Obama was transformative in itself.
Then he had to face Afghanistan and couldn't decide on a strategy of either continuing nation building , or simple Whack - a mole

Then the Arab Spring -they all thought this was another transformative epoch, when in truth it started over food riots.

Then the screw up on ISIS as "JV"..Obama hasn't got a clue except to turn it over to his successor.
In Syria he has the right policy, but only because Putin left him no other viable role

Hillary went along for the ride on most of this -except Libya where she took a lead role
They are a bunch of screw ups.
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I wish he would have apologized to Iraq. It wouldn't bring back all their dead but it would be an acknowledgement that we screwed up royally.

The facts:

When President Obama began his term, he made a number of speeches in the Middle East and elsewhere -- all designed to forge better ties with Europe, the Middle East, and Latin America.

Critics such as Romney have said Obama apologized for past actions in such addresses.

Obama did indeed mention past U.S. flaws in speeches. But in those addresses, Obama never uttered an apology for the United States.


Those statements were snippets, part of larger and grander narratives about repairing ties, building friendship and working together.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-apology-tour/
 
Thing1 said:
Please. At a certain point, the scales tip.

Would you say that Obama is a demagogue on the level of Trump?
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Obama is more subtle about it but absolutely yes. He demagogues racial issues. Remember 'if I had a son he would look like Trayvon'?

Thing said:
How about divisions along ethnic, religious & racial lines? Has Obama's rhetoric there come even close to the vitriolic nature of Trump's?
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See above. This country is more racially divided now than in decades. It was that way long before Trump came along and has much to do with the current divider in chief. Pitting rich against poor and etc. Give me a break.

You are truly a blind partisan.

Thing said:
How about naked appeals to nationalism? Is Obama similar in that respect?

If you answered yes to any of those, you just may be a hack.
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You seriously need to look in the mirror lol.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Absolutely understand them. But start with their version of Islam since Iran is a theocracy. And by all means don't sanitize it. If you learn that aspect you'll know that they will lie to you because lies are permissble in Islam under some circumstances. You will also learn they are, for all intents and purposes, irrational. In other words, where mutually assured destruction worked with the communists in the USSR decades ago, not so much, with people who think raining destruction on the planet will bring their messiah.

I can't imagine Obama, Kerry or Hillary not being aware of this. Then again, maybe they aren't. My guess is they ignore it.
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Be honest. There are circumstances where lies are permissible for Christians too.

...[there]are extreme situations where God allows someone to tell a lie because they are protecting someone. The higher good outweighs the lesser bad. When someone else’s life is in danger, lying is not sinful but actually the right thing to do...
 
I'm not 100% on it - but I think Darth just compared "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon" to "they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists..."
 
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