Another baffling story behind the Left's ongoing love affair with radical Islam

Darth Hussein Omar said:
My Muslim President Obama

I know President Obama is not Muslim, but I am tempted nevertheless to think that he is, as are most Muslims I know. In a very unscientific oral poll, ranging from family members to Muslim acquaintances, many of us feel, just as African-Americans did for the non-black but culturally leaning African-American President Bill Clinton, that we have our first American Muslim president in Barack Hussein Obama.

I know it’s odd to say this. At first, I thought I was the only Muslim engaging in this folly, and I am reluctant to express it lest right-wing zealots try to use “Muslim” as a smear and cite my theory as proof of an Islamic traitor in the White House or some such nonsense. But, since Election Day, I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, “I have to support my fellow Muslim brother,” would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice.

“Well, I know he’s not really Muslim,” I would quickly add. But if the person I was talking to was Muslim, they would say, “yes he is.” They would cite his open nature and habit of reaching out to critics, reminiscent of the Prophet Muhammad’s own approach, and also Obama’s middle name, Hussein. Most of the Muslims I know (me included) can’t seem to accept that Obama is not Muslim.

Of the few Muslims I polled who said that Obama is not Muslim, even they conceded that he had ties to Islam. These realists said that, although not an avowed and practicing Muslim, Obama’s exposure to Islam at a young age (both through his father and his stint in Indonesia) has given him a Muslim sensibility. In my book, that makes you a Muslim–maybe not a card-carrying one, but part of the flock for sure. One realist Muslim ventured that Obama worships at a Unitarian Church because it represents the middle ground between Christianity and Islam, incorporating the religious beliefs of the two faiths Obama feels connected to. Unitarianism could be Obama’s way of still being a Muslim. (And let’s not forget that the church Obama worshiped at for so many years had a minister who reminds most Muslims of their own raving, excitable ministers. Even if Obama really is Christian, he picked the most Muslim-esque minister out of the bunch to guide him.)

The rationalistic, Western side of me knows that Obama has denied being Muslim, that his father was non-practicing, that he doesn’t attend a mosque. Many Muslims simply say back, “my father’s not a strict Muslim either, and I haven’t been to a mosque in years.” Obama even told The New York Times he could recite the adhan, the Islamic call to prayer, which the vast majority of Muslims, I would guess, do not know well enough to recite.

I think many of us Muslims see Obama as Muslim, or at least of Muslim heritage, because his background epitomizes one of the major Muslim experiences–a diverse upbringing that eludes any easy classification as specifically one religion or one culture. So many of us Muslims around the world have Islam in common, but an altogether different culture from one another. Many Muslims share a culture with a Christian, Hindu or Buddhist community but not the same religion. When faced with such diversity, there are no hard and fast rules for Muslim identity.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/muslim-barack-obama-opinions-contributors_islamic_president.html
Click to expand...

Obama lived in Indonesia for four year between the ages of six and ten, hardly enough to develop a "Muslim sensibility." Especially since his mother didn't practice any religion and his stepfather wasn't a hard-liner.
 
christiefan915 said:
Obama lived in Indonesia for four year between the ages of six and ten, hardly enough to develop a "Muslim sensibility." Especially since his mother didn't practice any religion and his stepfather wasn't a hard-liner.
Click to expand...

You act as though it would be a problem if he did. And I remember those years and my Catholic upbringing quite well. Even though I'm no longer Catholic.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You act as though it would be a problem if he did. And I remember those years and my Catholic upbringing quite well. Even though I'm no longer Catholic.
Click to expand...

It's not a problem for me but it seems to be for the Forbes writer. I was brought up Catholic too and what we were taught between the ages of 6-10 was pretty simple and forgettable, IMO.
 
christiefan915 said:
I wish he would have apologized to Iraq. It wouldn't bring back all their dead but it would be an acknowledgement that we screwed up royally.

The facts:

When President Obama began his term, he made a number of speeches in the Middle East and elsewhere -- all designed to forge better ties with Europe, the Middle East, and Latin America.

Critics such as Romney have said Obama apologized for past actions in such addresses.

Obama did indeed mention past U.S. flaws in speeches. But in those addresses, Obama never uttered an apology for the United States.


Those statements were snippets, part of larger and grander narratives about repairing ties, building friendship and working together.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-apology-tour/
Click to expand...
it's political shorthand -referencing "apology tour" is clear what even t is being spoken of.
The general tenor was one of stuff like this
Citing the "fear and anger" after 9/11, Obama said that in some cases, "it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals
Click to expand...
which is unheard of by a POTUS overseas. A POTUS advocates for the US, and in this tour it really wasn't necessary while " building bridges". What was the point of this? I mean JFK in Berlin it's not.

The main point though is his not building bridges, he's shrunken US influence.
Obama seems to be saying "here I am -Obama - and I'm here without really saying how but we're gona build bridges to the Muslim world"

where did that ever happen?
We've lost the ability to shape events all over the world, but especially the ME. So this 'transformative presidency' has become nothing more then a shrinking US influence with Turkey/Syria and has done damage to Saudi Arabia and Egypt -our traditionl partners
 
anatta said:
it's political shorthand -referencing "apology tour" is clear what even t is being spoken of.
The general tenor was one of stuff like thiswhich is unheard of by a POTUS overseas. A POTUS advocates for the US, and in this tour it really wasn't necessary while " building bridges". What was the point of this? I mean JFK in Berlin it's not.

The main point though is his not building bridges, he's shrunken US influence.
Obama seems to be saying "here I am -Obama - and I'm here without really saying how but we're gona build bridges to the Muslim world"

where did that ever happen?

We've lost the ability to shape events all over the world, but especially the ME. So this 'transformative presidency' has become nothing more then a shrinking US influence with Turkey/Syria and has done damage to Saudi Arabia and Egypt -our traditionl partners
Click to expand...

My position is that shaping events all over the world is not our business. And i think it's hypocritical of the US to have Saudi Arabia as a partner with their abysmal human rights record, and then squawk about other ME countries that have better ones.
 
christiefan915 said:
My position is that shaping events all over the world is not our business. And i think it's hypocritical of the US to have Saudi Arabia as a partner with their abysmal human rights record, and then squawk about other ME countries that have better ones.
Click to expand...
US has a worldwide presence . It falls on us with regional and international partners to be a force for global stability.
Which is why Iraq/Libya were so horrible, we completely destabilized the region to the point we helped create a terrorist army (ISIL)

But we have naval forces, and US air and we still need to help check Chinese regional hegemony in the South china Sea
as well as keep Russian expansionism ( in partnership with NATO ) from spilling any further the Ukraine.
We work with Africa to combat terrorism too.

But we're out of kilter with over-reliance on "hard power" to the extent we haven't been using soft power sucessfully.
When we do we practice "American exceptionalism" -which was a term bastardized by the neo-cons, but is valid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power (soft power)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_power (hard power)

As to SA and Iran, Israel et all I don't think a nation's internal business is any of ours.
Use realpolitik
 
Daimoku said:
I'm not at all sure she is saying that any references to the term "Islamic Terrorism" will be removed. After all, it's kinda rare for an extremist to refer to their own beliefs as "radical", isn't it?
Click to expand...
And I'm not sure that you aren't a disciple of Saul Alinsky.

We know that the tape was heavily edited, and we also know that the idiot Lynch stated that there will be no further proclamations of the man's pledges to ISIS nor will there be any hearing him make assertions of allegiance to ISIS. All we can do is work with the information at hand.
 
christiefan915 said:
Why do you have a problem with this, granuloma? The guy was nuttier than a fruitcake. He said "the reason why he’s doing this is because he wanted America to stop bombing his country" but America was his country.
Click to expand...
My problem with this, communist #915, is that the Left is trying to minimize Islam's role in these mass murders. Why is that? I'm curious to know why that is. Can you tell me?
 
Leonthecat said:
It is known. Any further publicity of his declarations becomes propaganda.
Lynch used proper discretion, and nothing was hidden from public knowledge.
Click to expand...
Wrong again. It's known because the Right is making sure it's known. Lynch is doing everything she can to erase any evidence of Islam's role in the murders.
 
Granule said:
Wrong again. It's known because the Right is making sure it's known. Lynch is doing everything she can to erase any evidence of Islam's role in the murders.
Click to expand...

How can anyone erase what is already public knowledge?
You are an Alex Jones fan aren't you, Granny.
 
Granule said:
How can anyone consider the truth to be propaganda?
You're a Saul Alinsky fan aren't you, shepherd of racism?
Click to expand...

Who is Saul Alinsky?
The truth is that Omar claims he was inspired by ISIS. That is well understood. To quote his diatribe verbatim is to give fame to, and promote his beliefs. Is that what you want Granny?
Erasing what is public knowledge, that is Alex Jones territory Granny.
You are very funny .
 
Leonthecat said:
Who is Saul Alinsky?
The truth is that Omar claims he was inspired by ISIS. That is well understood. To quote his diatribe verbatim is to give fame to, and promote his beliefs. Is that what you want Granny?
Erasing what is public knowledge, that is Alex Jones territory Granny.
You are very funny .
Click to expand...

It does no such thing. At this point, it merely highlights the left's refusal to take national security seriously.
 
Leonthecat said:
You are wrong.
Click to expand...

Really? Do you see them taking the threat seriously? They fucking launched another idiotic discussion about violating the 2nd Amendment, and refuse to discuss the enemy, what it is doing, what it has done, and what it likely intends to do moving forward. Obama, his pathetic AG, and most every leftist claim they can handle the situation while mincing words and pandering, but, their actions and rhetoric prove that they cannot (and probably still could not, even if they get around to naming the enemy and its nature).
 
christiefan915 said:
I wish he would have apologized to Iraq. It wouldn't bring back all their dead but it would be an acknowledgement that we screwed up royally.

The facts:

When President Obama began his term, he made a number of speeches in the Middle East and elsewhere -- all designed to forge better ties with Europe, the Middle East, and Latin America.



Critics such as Romney have said Obama apologized for past actions in such addresses.

Obama did indeed mention past U.S. flaws in speeches. But in those addresses, Obama never uttered an apology for the United States.


Those statements were snippets, part of larger and grander narratives about repairing ties, building friendship and working together.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/politics/fact-check-apology-tour/
Click to expand...

I wish you would apologize for being a bitch. It won't change you from being one but at least you would be acknowledging you recognize what you are.
 
christiefan915 said:
Be honest. There are circumstances where lies are permissible for Christians too.

...[there]are extreme situations where God allows someone to tell a lie because they are protecting someone. The higher good outweighs the lesser bad. When someone else’s life is in danger, lying is not sinful but actually the right thing to do...
Click to expand...

Surprise, surprise. A liar justifying lying.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top