Apropos to the Critical Race Theory debate.

Primavera said:
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Ahh, Sowell....the token darling of the tea party/libertarian/new conservative/alt right folk that are the current "conservative" mindset that is the GOP. Every blessed time the right wing wonks are faced with facts regarding America's congenital racism (and subsequent denial of such), they trot out either this pedigreed joker or D'Souza or Owens to placate their subconscious bigotry (because colored folk telling them what they want to here makes everything okay).

However, Sowell has YET to be adequately challenged in public by people not blinded by his BS. Here, for the objective readers, is a brilliant take down of Mr. Sowell's rhetoric. Enjoy:


What’s wrong with Thomas Sowell?



... Sowell’s arguments are, in the main, sophomoric in construction and ideologically resistant to intervention from the real world. Despite his bluster about Evidence and Facts that purportedly come to knock down the house of left economic and racial ideas, Sowell is unique even among the conservatives he’s usually cited with for his immunity to real knowledge and his social-scientific sophistry.

https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/whats-wrong-with-thomas-sowell-464baab5978e
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, Sowell....the token darling of the tea party/libertarian/new conservative/alt right folk that are the current "conservative" mindset that is the GOP. Every blessed time the right wing wonks are faced with facts regarding America's congenital racism (and subsequent denial of such), they trot out either this pedigreed joker or D'Souza or Owens to placate their subconscious bigotry (because colored folk telling them what they want to here makes everything okay).

However, Sowell has YET to be adequately challenged in public by people not blinded by his BS. Here, for the objective readers, is a brilliant take down of Mr. Sowell's rhetoric. Enjoy:


What’s wrong with Thomas Sowell?



... Sowell’s arguments are, in the main, sophomoric in construction and ideologically resistant to intervention from the real world. Despite his bluster about Evidence and Facts that purportedly come to knock down the house of left economic and racial ideas, Sowell is unique even among the conservatives he’s usually cited with for his immunity to real knowledge and his social-scientific sophistry.

https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/whats-wrong-with-thomas-sowell-464baab5978e
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This is a really great article, I’m saving it, thanks.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, Sowell....the token darling of the tea party/libertarian/new conservative/alt right folk that are the current "conservative" mindset that is the GOP. Every blessed time the right wing wonks are faced with facts regarding America's congenital racism (and subsequent denial of such), they trot out either this pedigreed joker or D'Souza or Owens to placate their subconscious bigotry (because colored folk telling them what they want to here makes everything okay).

However, Sowell has YET to be adequately challenged in public by people not blinded by his BS. Here, for the objective readers, is a brilliant take down of Mr. Sowell's rhetoric. Enjoy:


What’s wrong with Thomas Sowell?



... Sowell’s arguments are, in the main, sophomoric in construction and ideologically resistant to intervention from the real world. Despite his bluster about Evidence and Facts that purportedly come to knock down the house of left economic and racial ideas, Sowell is unique even among the conservatives he’s usually cited with for his immunity to real knowledge and his social-scientific sophistry.

https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/whats-wrong-with-thomas-sowell-464baab5978e
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Hoosier Daddy said:
why are conservatives so weirded out about CRT? it is not a required course, not taught in public K-12 schools? it is obvious to those who know anything about the human race, that the differences between the races are negligible. so if you can logically look at this country and how blacks have fared versus white, you have to believe there must be other factors. the same could be done with women in this country. do conservatives still believe women are inferior in intelligence, in logic, in courage, in the ability to lead? but if you look back on how women fared in this country vs men, it was not until 3 decades or so ago they were finally thought to be equal, not just equal in the eyes of the law. isn't that similar to CRT? women did not succeed because of a male dominated society that held them down. blacks did not succeed because of a white society that held them down.
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That's not actually true. There are significant differences between races. It's a taboo topic, which is why discussion of it in the West is difficult to manage, but it's not as taboo outside of the West.

Now, I'm not saying that racial differences explain everything in society, but they do play into differences among cultures. How a culture prioritizes things affects what it will excel at.

Europeans prioritized trade, industrialization, and exploration at a time when the technology was sufficient to conquer much of the world. By the time that Europeans started colonizing Africa, much of the continent had pre-agrarian societies. That difference in culture leads to differences in diet, which leads to differences in things like physical development.

Environmental factors play a part as well. Blacks made better slaves than Native Americans due to their resistance to many diseases, for example. They seemed to handle extreme heat and humidity better than whites as well.

As far as men vs. women, that's primarily evolutionary. Men are more dominant by nature, so they lead more often. Most cultures developed through patriarchy out of necessity, since men are physically more imposing. Men make better warriors overall.

Obviously, technology has made physical brute force less important for war, but so far, infantry are still important for both defense and offense.

So much of history is falsely chalked up as some matter of "oppression." The reality is that different cultures fare differently due to having different strengths and weaknesses. It is only a Western conceit that so much time should be spent on this guilt nonsense.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, Sowell....the token darling of the tea party/libertarian/new conservative/alt right folk that are the current "conservative" mindset that is the GOP. Every blessed time the right wing wonks are faced with facts regarding America's congenital racism (and subsequent denial of such), they trot out either this pedigreed joker or D'Souza or Owens to placate their subconscious bigotry (because colored folk telling them what they want to here makes everything okay).

However, Sowell has YET to be adequately challenged in public by people not blinded by his BS. Here, for the objective readers, is a brilliant take down of Mr. Sowell's rhetoric. Enjoy:


What’s wrong with Thomas Sowell?



... Sowell’s arguments are, in the main, sophomoric in construction and ideologically resistant to intervention from the real world. Despite his bluster about Evidence and Facts that purportedly come to knock down the house of left economic and racial ideas, Sowell is unique even among the conservatives he’s usually cited with for his immunity to real knowledge and his social-scientific sophistry.

https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/whats-wrong-with-thomas-sowell-464baab5978e
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You're a buffoon, Chuckles! No not fit to lick the great man's boots.
 
Primavera said:
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He may the degree, but he's no Noam Chomsky. He's been around for awhile, giving variations of the SOS. Like him, you think his black skin and academic achievements validates his summations. Hint: the families of the victims of police brutality in the last 2 decades would beg to differ.

CRITICAL RACE THEORY: JOHN MCWHORTER GETS IT WRONG…AGAIN


https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/critical-race-theory-john-mcwhorter-gets-it-wrong-again



John McWhorter Gets “Black-on-Black Crime” All Wrong

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/08/26/john-mcwhorters-time-piece-real-black-on-black-crime/
 
Primavera said:
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Ahh, Sowell....the token darling of the tea party/libertarian/new conservative/alt right folk that are the current "conservative" mindset that is the GOP. Every blessed time the right wing wonks are faced with facts regarding America's congenital racism (and subsequent denial of such), they trot out either this pedigreed joker or D'Souza or Owens to placate their subconscious bigotry (because colored folk telling them what they want to here makes everything okay).

However, Sowell has YET to be adequately challenged in public by people not blinded by his BS. Here, for the objective readers, is a brilliant take down of Mr. Sowell's rhetoric. Enjoy:


What’s wrong with Thomas Sowell?



... Sowell’s arguments are, in the main, sophomoric in construction and ideologically resistant to intervention from the real world. Despite his bluster about Evidence and Facts that purportedly come to knock down the house of left economic and racial ideas, Sowell is unique even among the conservatives he’s usually cited with for his immunity to real knowledge and his social-scientific sophistry.

https://dawsonvosburg.medium.com/wha...l-464baab5978e



You're a buffoon, Chuckles! No not fit to lick the great man's boots.
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And that's your version of a logical and fact based analysis of the article I linked?

:laugh:

Like all little sheet wearers with delusions of grandeur, you just lap up the bilge that Sowell vomits forth....his systematic denials and excuses for how deeply America's historically congenital racism affect our society tells you exactly what you want to hear...and keeps your subliminal bigot zone safe. Pity you don't have the courage or intellect to counter the article I linked.

Blather on, my National Front friend.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
That's not actually true. There are significant differences between races. It's a taboo topic, which is why discussion of it in the West is difficult to manage, but it's not as taboo outside of the West.

Now, I'm not saying that racial differences explain everything in society, but they do play into differences among cultures. How a culture prioritizes things affects what it will excel at.

Europeans prioritized trade, industrialization, and exploration at a time when the technology was sufficient to conquer much of the world. By the time that Europeans started colonizing Africa, much of the continent had pre-agrarian societies. That difference in culture leads to differences in diet, which leads to differences in things like physical development.

Environmental factors play a part as well. Blacks made better slaves than Native Americans due to their resistance to many diseases, for example. They seemed to handle extreme heat and humidity better than whites as well.

As far as men vs. women, that's primarily evolutionary. Men are more dominant by nature, so they lead more often. Most cultures developed through patriarchy out of necessity, since men are physically more imposing. Men make better warriors overall.

Obviously, technology has made physical brute force less important for war, but so far, infantry are still important for both defense and offense.

So much of history is falsely chalked up as some matter of "oppression." The reality is that different cultures fare differently due to having different strengths and weaknesses. It is only a Western conceit that so much time should be spent on this guilt nonsense.
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Just to yank a cornerstone out from under your screed .... the Continent of Africa had various civilizations that came and went LONG before your contemporary European ancestors set foot there. They built pyramids (yeah, it was Western Africa before the Brits renamed it), had science and philosophy that influenced Greek culture, interacted with the Japanese islands (yeah, the character of the black faced shogun warrior wasn't just mythology based), etc. Trade, industry that lived WITH THE LAND and not poison it like European culture. And remember, the slave trade happened because you had slavery with the continent....a wrong that was capitalized on by foreigners. Two wrongs never make a right. Just so you know.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Just to yank a cornerstone out from under your screed .... the Continent of Africa had various civilizations that came and went LONG before your contemporary European ancestors set foot there. They built pyramids (yeah, it was Western Africa before the Brits renamed it), had science and philosophy that influenced Greek culture, interacted with the Japanese islands (yeah, the character of the black faced shogun warrior wasn't just mythology based), etc. Trade, industry that lived WITH THE LAND and not poison it like European culture. And remember, the slave trade happened because you had slavery with the continent....a wrong that was capitalized on by foreigners. Two wrongs never make a right. Just so you know.
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Africa is a large continent, so not surprisingly, it has a wide variety of cultures. However, it seemed to peak early. It is true that the Ancient Egyptians predate any significant European culture. And there are other cultures in Africa that achieved similar levels of advancement. North Africa, in particular, produced many advancements in science and math.

The bulk of cultures in sub-Saharan Africa, however, were rather primitive by the time that Europeans started engaging in the slave trade. By the time that the Scramble for Africa began, Europeans had a major technological and cultural lead on them.

It just goes to show that advancement is not a linear progression. Europe experienced something like this when the Roman Empire fell. The Islamic World experienced this when the Ottoman Empire fell. Cultural advancement comes in cycles, and all civilizations eventually fall.

The Atlantic Slave Trade was a natural extension of the slave trade that Arabs had begun with warring tribes in Africa. Europeans just expanded upon this trade many times over. Even today, there is an African slave trade, which is largely based in Libya, and many of the customers are Arabs, but others are Africans themselves.

I'm not arguing over what makes something "right." I'm only explaining how things come to be.

Noticing differences between races isn't a matter of deciding who is superior. It is merely a matter of noticing differences in averages between groups. Every group has its strengths and weaknesses. It's no different from making distinctions between different groups of other species. For humans, cultural differences are sometimes an extension of physical differences.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
Africa is a large continent, so not surprisingly, it has a wide variety of cultures. However, it seemed to peak early. It is true that the Ancient Egyptians predate any significant European culture. And there are other cultures in Africa that achieved similar levels of advancement. North Africa, in particular, produced many advancements in science and math.

The bulk of cultures in sub-Saharan Africa, however, were rather primitive by the time that Europeans started engaging in the slave trade. By the time that the Scramble for Africa began, Europeans had a major technological and cultural lead on them.

It just goes to show that advancement is not a linear progression. Europe experienced something like this when the Roman Empire fell. The Islamic World experienced this when the Ottoman Empire fell. Cultural advancement comes in cycles, and all civilizations eventually fall.

The Atlantic Slave Trade was a natural extension of the slave trade that Arabs had begun with warring tribes in Africa. Europeans just expanded upon this trade many times over. Even today, there is an African slave trade, which is largely based in Libya, and many of the customers are Arabs, but others are Africans themselves.

I'm not arguing over what makes something "right." I'm only explaining how things come to be.

Noticing differences between races isn't a matter of deciding who is superior. It is merely a matter of noticing differences in averages between groups. Every group has its strengths and weaknesses. It's no different from making distinctions between different groups of other species. For humans, cultural differences are sometimes an extension of physical differences.
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Your first paragraph is a blatant display of your partial revisionist bias.

When you say, "peak early", exactly how long do you propose civilized advancements should last? Please check out the book Civilization Before Greece and Rome
 and how the latter was influenced and guided. Your moot points regarding slavery essentially add nothing to your summation when the basis of it is flawed.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Your first paragraph is a blatant display of your partial revisionist bias.

When you say, "peak early", exactly how long do you propose civilized advancements should last? Please check out the book Civilization Before Greece and Rome
 and how the latter was influenced and guided. Your moot points regarding slavery essentially add nothing to your summation when the basis of it is flawed.
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My observation equally applies to other regions as well. Rome peaked much earlier than its Northern and Western neighbors. So did Greece.

You could say India and China also peaked early.

Now, I don't mean this in an absolute sense. No one can predict what happens 200 years from now. Maybe by then, the most advanced nation will be Nigeria. America might have fallen by then.

And I absolutely acknowledge that the Romans and Greeks were influenced by many African and Near Eastern cultures. No civilization develops in a vacuum.

Nevertheless, what about my observations on slavery are flawed?
 
Primavera said:
Leo Terrell: BLM couldn't care less about blacks.


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And yet he went after Candace Owen, who essentially talks the same BS as he does.

Bottom line: Leo's going for the bucks and prestige with all the other blacks parroting right wing rhetoric. But like Rice and Powell and Steele, his wake up call is coming.
 
Taichiliberal said:
He may the degree, but he's no Noam Chomsky. He's been around for awhile, giving variations of the SOS. Like him, you think his black skin and academic achievements validates his summations. Hint: the families of the victims of police brutality in the last 2 decades would beg to differ.

CRITICAL RACE THEORY: JOHN MCWHORTER GETS IT WRONG…AGAIN


https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/critical-race-theory-john-mcwhorter-gets-it-wrong-again



John McWhorter Gets “Black-on-Black Crime” All Wrong

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/08/26/john-mcwhorters-time-piece-real-black-on-black-crime/
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Taichiliberal said:
And yet he went after Candace Owen, who essentially talks the same BS as he does.

Bottom line: Leo's going for the bucks and prestige with all the other blacks parroting right wing rhetoric. But like Rice and Powell and Steele, his wake up call is coming.
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You're such a bullshitter.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And that's your version of a logical and fact based analysis of the article I linked?

:laugh:

Like all little sheet wearers with delusions of grandeur, you just lap up the bilge that Sowell vomits forth....his systematic denials and excuses for how deeply America's historically congenital racism affect our society tells you exactly what you want to hear...and keeps your subliminal bigot zone safe. Pity you don't have the courage or intellect to counter the article I linked.

Blather on, my National Front friend.
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That why I have so little time for you these days, anybody that opposes your blather is automatically labelled as a fascist. Doris might buy your bullshit but previous few otherwise.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This guy's an idiot. He presents a mishmash of what amounts to cherry picked bullshit to try and support his crackpot theory. For example, he mentions spear tips on Hispaniola. Are any of these still available for examination?

He should show evidence that sub-Saharan African societies had sufficient knowledge to build and operate ships in open ocean. He conveniently ignores this entirely.

At 5:30 he suggests "trans-Atlantic trade" implying that African societies were transiting the Atlantic to and fro the Americas carrying on trade. What actual evidence is there of this? Can you say none?

At 8:05 he shows us a "Nubian" boat. Nubia as a nation was on the Red Sea. That hardly means they transposed that technology to West Africa and the Atlantic. The Nubians, like the Egyptians to their north, used similar technology at sea. Neither was really capable of open ocean travel as they lacked the means of navigation for that.

But the biggest flaw in his rambling lecture is that Columbus did something nobody before him did: He came back to "civilization" with proof and written documentation of his discovery. The Vikings didn't do that. The Polynesians didn't do that. It is possible that the Japanese go to the new world but didn't return. There's a slim chance some Irish made it but couldn't share their discovery.

That's the thing that makes what Columbus did unique: He told everybody else about what he'd found.
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Who will be the first to wonder & ask why was Columbo trying to get to a shitHOLE country like India in the first place??? :whome:

While he brings up some interesting points, some I have wondered about as well, the truth, if there is any to be found, will be in the DNA..

The ppl present & in the past will have all the evidence one needs to come to conclusions~ so one has to wonder why that isn't mentioned..
 
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