Are the existence of matter and energy life's ONLY mysteries?

[Cypress]

Never said any such thing, Sybil. Mantra 40a.

Sure you did.

The values '1' and '0' are defined by axiom. The value '2' is defined by a proof.
No such concept before humans, Sybil.

An no one to count them.

LOL

The question was not whether "there was someone to count them".

The question was whether the concept of numerical quantities have an independent existence billions of years before humans agreed on the integers.

There is always going to be 1 moon, and 2 stars in a binary system, whether you're around to count, or not

 

[Daylight63]

Sure you did.

Here's something interesting: I honestly haven't looked to see what INTO said, but Cy, you have a KNOWN HABIT of changing people's posts and then accusing them of saying that thing so you can argue against something they never said.

You do it to me all the time. I've seen you do it to countless others.

So, even though I think Into is a TOTAL tool and a worthless piece of shit, I'm not inclined to believe YOU in this matter.

You see, Cy, in order to get the benefit of the doubt you HAVE to be less dishonest. Just try.

 

[Cypress]

Here's something interesting: I honestly haven't looked to see what INTO said, but Cy, you have a KNOWN HABIT of changing people's posts and then accusing them of saying that thing so you can argue against something they never said.

You do it to me all the time. I've seen you do it to countless others.

So, even though I think Into is a TOTAL tool and a worthless piece of shit, I'm not inclined to believe YOU in this matter.

You see, Cy, in order to get the benefit of the doubt you HAVE to be less dishonest. Just try.

It's really funny how you've made Common cause with two of the craziest MAGA morons on the forum, lol

The values '1' and '0' are defined by axiom. The value '2' is defined by a proof.
No such concept before humans, Sybil.

 

[Cypress]

I have been asking for months now for Cy to show me this Perry guy

You deleted your sock puppet Perry Phimosis, but that sock still exists in posts where people replied to him....see post 137 below

Post in thread 'Satan At Work. Through YOU!'

Feb 3, 2023

I will attempt to explain this to you. I used to be a believer so the concept of God has always been interesting to me. I am asking a question of believers: how does one accept that God in the OT commanded genocides and when they weren't completed to their full murder list he turned away from Saul and that that is the same God in the NT who so loved the world that he sacrificed his only begotten son to atone man to himself and that his love applies to ALL PEOPLE?

If one is a believer then one has to explain this. As a non-believer I am free to simply say "It's all made...

• Mason Michaels

 

[EdwinA]

There are also a pantheon of immaterial mathematical laws that govern the constitution, organization, and behavior of the quantum fields and fundamental particles of physical reality, and we have no idea why those mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from.

Physics is a philosophy. Mathematics is a language. There are no 'mathematical laws'. Math is descriptive, and therefore limited by its definitions to circular reasoning. Physics isn't. Don't confuse the two. Physics isn't required to conform to mathematical definitions. Math can only be used to find patterns. And, it can't find all of them without determining some new repeatable definitions, which will be defined by the physics, not mathematics itself.

 

[Cypress]

The question was not whether "there was someone to count them".
The question was whether the concept of numerical quantities have an independent existence billions of years before humans agreed on the integers. There is always going to be 1 moon, and 2 stars in a binary system, whether you're around to count, or not.

There is a very relevant and hilarious Albert Einstein quote worth posting here:

"Do you really believe the moon is not there when you are not looking at it?'” - Einstein

 

[Into the Night]

Sure you did.




LOL

The question was not whether "there was someone to count them".

Yes it is.

The question was whether the concept of numerical quantities have an independent existence billions of years before humans agreed on the integers.

Meaningless. There is no one to count them.

There is always going to be 1 moon, and 2 stars in a binary system, whether you're around to count, or not

Meaningless. There is no one to count them.

 

[Into the Night]

You deleted your sock puppet Perry Phimosis, but that sock still exists in posts where people replied to him....see post 137 below

Post in thread 'Satan At Work. Through YOU!'

Feb 3, 2023

I will attempt to explain this to you. I used to be a believer so the concept of God has always been interesting to me. I am asking a question of believers: how does one accept that God in the OT commanded genocides and when they weren't completed to their full murder list he turned away from Saul and that that is the same God in the NT who so loved the world that he sacrificed his only begotten son to atone man to himself and that his love applies to ALL PEOPLE?

If one is a believer then one has to explain this. As a non-believer I am free to simply say "It's all made...

• Mason Michaels

You can't blame your sock problem on anybody else, Sybil.

 

[Daylight63]

You deleted your sock puppet Perry Phimosis,

I'm not as knowledgable about sock accounts and changing my name as you are, Cy. I'll trust you on this one. I don't know how to do it but if you say I did it, well, we all know how upset you get when people point out your imaginary grievances.

 

[Daylight63]

It's really funny how you've made Common cause with two of the craziest MAGA morons on the forum, lol

Unlike you I am not one of those people who is incapable of finding commonalities with those I despise. You see, if someone is right they are right even if I'm not happy about it.

Like I said, though, in this case I don't know what Into said, but I DO know you are inherently dishonest as you've shown by altering my quotes and changing my points to suit your needs.

You are an amazingly dishonest person, Cy. You should try to be a better person. Look at who YOU hang with: Dutch Oven. He's the most toxic piece of shit on this board and he's your only friend.

LOL.

 

[Hume]

Unlike you I am not one of those people who is incapable of finding commonalities with those I despise. You see, if someone is right they are right even if I'm not happy about it.

Like I said, though, in this case I don't know what Into said, but I DO know you are inherently dishonest as you've shown by altering my quotes and changing my points to suit your needs.

You are an amazingly dishonest person, Cy. You should try to be a better person. Look at who YOU hang with: Dutch Oven. He's the most toxic piece of shit on this board and he's your only friend.

LOL.

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

 

[Into the Night]

Physics is a philosophy.

Physics is not philosophy. Physics is a branch of science.

Mathematics is a language.

The SYMBOLS in mathematics are a language. Mathematics itself is a closed functional system.

There are no 'mathematical laws'.

There certainly is.

Math is descriptive,

Mathematics is about objective values.

and therefore limited by its definitions to circular reasoning.

Mathematics is not reasoning. It is a closed functional system...no more.

Physics isn't.

Physics is a branch of science, an open functional system.

Don't confuse the two. Physics isn't required to conform to mathematical definitions.

A theory of science MUST be transcribed to a closed functional system (such as mathematics) to gain the power of prediction (which comes with the power of proof).

Math can only be used to find patterns.

Mathematics is not a pattern matching device. It is a closed functional system.

And, it can't find all of them without determining some new repeatable definitions, which will be defined by the physics, not mathematics itself.

Physics theories are typically expressed in mathematical form. A theory of science that is transcribed into mathematical form becomes a 'law'.
It is still a theory. If it is falsified, the 'law' goes with it.

A closed functional system is simply one that is defined by a set of rules (or axioms). It has nothing outside those set of rules. Mathematics is one such system. Logic is another. Change a rule and you are playing a different game. Minor changes in the axioms for mathematics create the different Domains of mathematics (each with a completely different behavior). Theories of science in physics are typically translated into the Real Math Domain, the Domain taught to you in grade school.

An open functional system is one that does not define any boundary. Science is such an system. A theory of science may be literally about anything. It's only requirement is that the theory must be falsifiable, or testable to see if the theory itself is false. That test must be specific, available, and be objective (it must produce a specific result), and it must test the theory itself. As long as a theory of science can withstand such tests, it is automatically part of the body of science. It will be until the theory, if and when, is falsified.

 

[Daylight63]

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

Says the person who literally spends days on here telling people to "kill themselves".

Pure, unadulterated evil.

 

[Hume]

Says the person who literally spends days on here telling people to "kill themselves".

Pure, unadulterated evil.

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

 

[Daylight63]

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

Thanks, Troll.

 

[Hume]

Thanks, Troll.

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

 

[Bai Lan]

Sure you did.




LOL

The question was not whether "there was someone to count them".

The question was whether the concept of numerical quantities have an independent existence billions of years before humans agreed on the integers.

There is always going to be 1 moon, and 2 stars in a binary system, whether you're around to count, or not

but those phenomenon don't rely on humans having devised integers beforehand.

 

[Daylight63]

^^BIGGEST ASSHOLE ON THE FORUM

Humey, are you feeling like someone is threatening your crown? Don't worry. No one is as big an asshole/waste of DNA/piece of shit than you are.

 

[Hume]

Humey, are you feeling like someone is threatening your crown? Don't worry. No one is as big an asshole/waste of DNA/piece of shit than you are.

‘The universities are the enemy’: why the right detests the American campus | Lauren Lassabe Shepherd

For centuries, the academy was exclusive to the Christian elite. When that began to change, an onslaught began

www.theguardian.com

 

[Daylight63]

‘The universities are the enemy’: why the right detests the American campus | Lauren Lassabe Shepherd

For centuries, the academy was exclusive to the Christian elite. When that began to change, an onslaught began

www.theguardian.com

The right has had an on-going war on academia for about 40 years now. It's why the Tea Party movement was able to pick up steam and it's why the MAGA movement is as powerful as it is.