Are your gun rights safe?

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Is Obama secretly plotting to ban guns?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Total voters
    8
Disillusioned said:
Nah, we think you're rednecks from the 12th century here to plague us with the "I'll defend mah house with this here gun when the revenuers come to take my whiskey." There's a place where everyone has a gun and no other rights, it's called africa.
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Are you familiar with American history? You post as if you are not.
 
Disillusioned said:
Really? We're going for gun rights as important as free speech? Really? Not religion, press, gatherings, not cruel and unusual punishment or search and seizure? We're going for the right to own a shotgun as the most important. Really?

Just..... wow.
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How do you propose we assure that we have these rights?
 
Nemo said:
No. Our rights exist and are secured by law, not by a "rabble in arms."
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please, mr. totalitarian. if our rights are secured by law, explain gitmo, military tribunals, indefinite detention, free speech zones, may issue states, and torture by US government.
 
Nemo said:
No, that's not right. We do not have the right to make our own laws. Ours is a constitutional republic - a representative form of government - and under the Constitution, our laws are made by the legislative branch by our elected representatives, and not by mob rule.
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We the people...ah nevermind.

You are totaly ignoring the fact that we won indepence from tyrany through the use of arms.
 
Nemo said:
The American Revolution was a war waged for separation of the American colonies from the rule of the English monarchy, and not a rebellion against the established colonial governments. The colonies were being taxed under English laws in which they had no elected representatives in Parliament; and when the Crown refused to grant representation, the colonies, in Continental Congress, declared their separate statehood and independence. Our nation was founded by thereafter by adoption of the Constitution that established the United States as a republic under the rule of law.
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hey genius, when the british said 'oh no, you didn't' and sent their troops with guns to enforce their 'ownership', what was our response?
 
Nemo said:
The American Revolution was a war waged for separation of the American colonies from the rule of the English monarchy, and not a rebellion against the established colonial governments. The colonies were being taxed under English laws in which they had no elected representatives in Parliament; and when the Crown refused to grant representation, the colonies, in Continental Congress, declared their separate statehood and independence. Our nation was founded by thereafter by adoption of the Constitution that established the United States as a republic under the rule of law.
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Holy denial brother. Are you sleeping right now?
 
C'Thulhu said:
You must not be familiar with Romney and guns. He's not a fan.
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I am very familiar with Romney and guns. Believe me, if by some miracle Romney is elected he will do nothing against guns. He may be a republican but he ain't stupid.
 
Ok, but they didn't just write the constitution and say, ok England, leave us alone. Normal people, farmers, shop keepers, preachers and such had to take up arms, their own arms (since there wasn't really an established military) and fight for the freedoms which we now enjoy. Now it seems we want our society to be more like that of the societies of Europe than what I think our founders envisioned.
 
leaningright said:
Ok, but they didn't just write the constitution and say, ok England, leave us alone. Normal people, farmers, shop keepers, preachers and such had to take up arms, their own arms (since there wasn't really an established military) and fight for the freedoms which we now enjoy. Now it seems we want our society to be more like that of the societies of Europe than what I think our founders envisioned.
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Delegates from all 13 colonies voted 'yea' and signed the Declaration of Independence. The war for independence had already begun a year prior to that. The Constitution wasn't written until four years after that war ended.
 
Nemo said:
If you are suggesting that the Second Amendment sanctions a right to bear arms against the government, you are absolutely wrong. The argument that we, as citizens, have a constitutional right to take up arms against our lawfully constituted government is without any foundation. Likewise, the reliance on the supposed historical record is wrong. George Washington (who is considered the father of our nation and who commanded the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War) presided over the Constitutional Convention that drafted our Constitution that is the framework of our government of laws; and thereafter elected to be the first President of the United States. During his term in office, President Washington put down the Whisky rebellion of 1794, which was an armed insurrection against the government in protest of the tax enacted by Congress in 1791. Washington personally lead the organized militia to quash the rebellion and assert the federal government’s authority over the states and their citizens.

We would do well to learn from history, and stop trying to rewrite it.
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And herein we simply have a difference of opinion. Citizens were granted the right to bear arms...period. I never said anything about "against the government.". That would be kind of silly, wouldn't it....You citizens can bear arms and use them against us in case we overstep our bounds. I don't think that is the intent of the "why" of the second amendment but I am keying in on the "what" of the second amendment which is that citizens have the right to keep and bear arms.
 
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