Astonishing Stat

[Oneuli]

Hello callinectes,



What, ya think liberals don't work for a living? Or pay taxes?

This is just a wild guess, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if liberals paid more taxes, per capita, than conservatives. Conservatives are disproportionately likely to fall into a few categories where effective tax rates are lower. One are business owners, who can use all sorts of tricks to lower their tax liability. If you have a guy whose business earns $150,000 and a person who earns the same $150,000 in the form of salary for a professional job, the latter is likely to pay more in taxes, since he'll be on the hook for payroll taxes and less able to play games to reduce taxable income (legally or otherwise).

Another category are retirees, who earn most of their money at the lower investment rates, rather than income tax rates like younger earners.

 

[Superfreak]

That shouldn't matter. The figure isn't the percentage of disenfranchised people who are black (which would be expected to be low in a state with few black people), but rather the percentage of blacks who are disenfranchised. Even if a place only had four black people, if one of them was disenfranchised, that would be 25%.

The reason, instead, is that Maine and Vermont don't disenfranchise people -- they both are at 0% for the whole population, as well. The states with high rates for blacks have high rates for people overall, too (just not as high). For example, 9.14% of people from Kentucky have been disenfranchised.

I think you need to look at that site a little closer.

 

[Oneuli]

It was the fat cat southern democrats that disenfranchised blacks.
The southern democrats believed in Jeffersonian democracy.
Democrat senator Byrd was former KKK.

The Dixiecrats were form because they were dissatisfied with their own democrat party with their policies of desegregation.
The Dixiecrats collapsed as a party in the late 40’s with members returning to the democrat party.


A century ago blacks were republicans. The party of Lincoln.
It was the southern democrats that resisted black voting rights.

You made some stupid statements.

There's been a consistent faction within this country that has been aligned with white supremacist goals: southern, rural, conservative, states-rights whites. The name of that faction has changed over time. They were once the anti-Federalists. Then the Democratic Republicans. Then the Democrats. Then the Republicans. But regardless of what label they had at a given moment, you'd find the same basic collection of states, localities, and demographic groups in that faction. For example, compare the 1900 and 2000 election maps, and you'll see they're pretty close to identical, just with the colors flipped. The grandkids and great-grandkids of the racist Democrats of the early 20th century are the racist Republicans of the early 21st century.

 

[Oneuli]

I think you need to look at that site a little closer.

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

 

[Jack]

This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).

I agree. It was probably THE argument. Many felt it was Green Power, rather than Black Power.

 

[Superfreak]

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

Like I stated, ya might want to actually read the site.

The population in Maine consists of only 1.5% AA. In Maine the incarceration rate for AA is 6:1.

IN KY the incarceration rate is 3:1 disparity.

Maine simply does not have enough people to qualify for the number of people out of 100,000. That is why their rate is low. The MAX number it could be for AA in Maine is 1... the MAX is 1.

 

[Superfreak]

Done. Here's a detail for Maine:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, the disenfranchised population is 0, and the disenfranchised African American population is also 0, consistent with my statement. By comparison, see Kentucky:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

As you can see, that lists the disenfranchised African American population as 26.15% of the African American population.

take a good hard look at the northeast numbers on incarceration rates of blacks vs whites. A lot higher than the southern states.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#rankings?dataset-option=BWR

 

[Oneuli]

Like I stated, ya might want to actually read the site.

I did. I even pointed out the exact data confirming my point.

The population in Maine consists of only 1.5% AA.

I think you're missing the point. Let's imagine that 0.375% of the total population consists of disenfranchised African Americans. Then 25% of African Americans in Maine would be disenfranchised. Instead, it's 0%, according to that site. The fact that the denominator there is so small isn't really material, because it just means a very small numerator can create a high percentage.

Maine simply does not have enough people to qualify for the number of people out of 100,000.

I would recommend you actually read the site and THEN comment on it. They list the raw number in every state, down to the last digit. In Kentucky, the number of disenfranchised African Americans is 69,771. In Maine, it's 0. Since Maine has more than zero African Americans, you can use those two figures to calculate a percentage, and it's 0%.

That is why their rate is low. The MAX number it could be for AA in Maine is 1... the MAX is 1.

No. That's not how the math works. Take Montana, for example. Montana is about 0.4% black:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population

Yet, according to the disenfranchisement site, 2.07% of their African Americans are disenfranchised. Using your logic, that's over five times as high as is mathematically possible. Similarly, Idaho is 0.6% black, yet 6.98% of their African Americans are disenfranchised. Wyoming is the most dramatic example. They're about 0.8% black, yet 17.18% of their African American population is disenfranchised. All those places have lower black populations than Maine, yet all have much, much higher percentages of disenfranchised African Americans.

 

[Oneuli]

take a good hard look at the northeast numbers on incarceration rates of blacks vs whites. A lot higher than the southern states.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#rankings?dataset-option=BWR

Yes, I'm aware of that. What's your point?

 

[Irish Exit]

I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.

As a Virginian, my response is stop committing felonies. Nobody is disenfranchising them. They are forfeiting their rights when they go around killing and stealing and dealing

 

[tsuke]

This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).

it could. there could be a critical mass for them to cause trouble. Like for example one muslim in a country of 100,000 could be a model citizen but 30,000 muslims in a country of 100,000 would be cutting off the heads of unbelievers.

 

[Oneuli]

As a Virginian, my response is stop committing felonies. Nobody is disenfranchising them.

You're confused. The legislators are, in fact, disenfranchising them. You're welcome to argue why you're fine with them losing their voting rights, but the simple reality is that they are being disenfranchised.... and in some states it's been done so widely that a fifth or even a quarter of all blacks have lost their voting rights.

 

[Oneuli]

it could. there could be a critical mass for them to cause trouble. Like for example one muslim in a country of 100,000 could be a model citizen but 30,000 muslims in a country of 100,000 would be cutting off the heads of unbelievers.

I'm not really following your argument here.

 

[Irish Exit]

You're confused. The legislators are, in fact, disenfranchising them. You're welcome to argue why you're fine with them losing their voting rights, but the simple reality is that they are being disenfranchised.... and in some states it's been done so widely that a fifth or even a quarter of all blacks have lost their voting rights.

Legislatures are not the ones making them felons. People do not have an automatic right to vote. The Supreme Court settled this issue in 1974 in Richardson v. Ramirez

 

[Airstrip One]

If you can afford to live in Vermont, you probably aren't concerned about being disenfranchised.

 

[Sailor]

If you can afford to live in Vermont, you probably aren't concerned about being disenfranchised.

Unless you are a minority. Then you have a much greater chance of being jailed. Been that way a very long time in VT.

 

[Althea]

I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.

That was the Koch Bros. ingenious plan that began in '10

 

[Flash]

LMAO... gee I wonder why Maine is so low? and Vermont? Could it be that both only have about 1% of their population that is black? Both are very low in terms of total population?

Legal disenfranchisement is due to being a convicted felon. Some states (New England) do not disenfranchise convicted felons like in many states. In some of those New England states a person can vote while in prison.

 

[countryboy]

I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.

Wait, you're saying convicted criminals have been "disenfranchised"? Seriously?

 

[Anarchon]

This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).

Is this idea of yours executed voluntarily, or do you pretend to own these successful people just like the slaves?