At What Point?

ThatOwlWoman said:
I asked my mom something very similar when I was 9 or 10. She was a very devout Christian as well as a Sunday school teacher. Her answer is why I walked away and found a different path.
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The fire and brimstone approach is baloney.

I have heard different Christian perspectives.

The fire and brimstone one about torment in hell is the least appealing. Although a part of me likes the idea of punishment and justice for mass murderers and ruthless dictators.

Then there is the perspective that hell is not a physical place, it just represents separation from any communion with god. It is just annihilation and cessation of any existence.

There's a minority view that other kinds of religious and spiritual commitment can lead to a type of spiritual liberation
 
Cypress said:
The fire and brimstone approach is baloney.

I have heard different Christian perspectives.

The fire and brimstone one about torment in hell is the least appealing. Although a part of me likes the idea of punishment and justice for mass murderers and ruthless dictators.

Then there is the perspective that hell is not a physical place, it just represents separation from any communion with god. It is just annihilation and cessation of any existence.

There's a minority view that other kinds of religious and spiritual commitment can lead to a type of spiritual liberation
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Have you read Ehrman's book "Heaven and Hell"? Good read.
 
Cypress said:
It's hard to believe that Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Majorie Taylor Green get to go to paradise, while Ghandi and the Dali Lama are going to be roasted in hell.
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Lets see how it plays out! Remember Jesus said
"Many come in my name but they aren't mine"
 
Cypress said:
If Jerry Falwell Jr. gets into paradise and the Dali Lama doesn't, this game is rigged.
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That might require a wholesale re-write of the rules of the game.

Basically Jerry and the Dalai Lama are playing two completely different sports. A "goal" in Jerry's game is not necessarily a "goal" in Dalai Lama's game.
 
Mason 22 said:
"If"!Organized religion is confusing your mind! YHWH knows what he's doing, it will all come out perfectly in the end!
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But wouldn't it be BETTER if Jahweh were to communicate to everyone NOW so that they don't wind up killing each other over something Yahweh's going to straighten out in the end?

There's a lot of people throughout our entire human history who have mercilessly slaughtered each other over competing versions of religion.

Presumably if God is real and if God is a "personal" God in that he cares about the individual, then why let millennia of humans kill each other over religion?
 
Cypress said:
The fire and brimstone approach is baloney.
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I like fire and brimstone. There's no baloney in it.
Cypress said:
I have heard different Christian perspectives.
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I know many Christians that like fire and brimstone.
Cypress said:
The fire and brimstone one about torment in hell is the least appealing.
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It's not a torment at all. It's used for entertainment.
Cypress said:
Although a part of me likes the idea of punishment and justice for mass murderers and ruthless dictators.
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They wind up punishing themselves, as do you, Sybil.
Cypress said:
Then there is the perspective that hell is not a physical place, it just represents separation from any communion with god.
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Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.
Cypress said:
It is just annihilation and cessation of any existence.
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Not possible.
Cypress said:
There's a minority view that other kinds of religious and spiritual commitment can lead to a type of spiritual liberation
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So?
 
Kafka said:
But wouldn't it be BETTER if Jahweh were to communicate to everyone NOW so that they don't wind up killing each other over something Yahweh's going to straighten out in the end?

There's a lot of people throughout our entire human history who have mercilessly slaughtered each other over competing versions of religion.

Presumably if God is real and if God is a "personal" God in that he cares about the individual, then why let millennia of humans kill each other over religion?
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Ever hear of "free agency"?
 
Into the Night said:
Ever hear of "free agency"?
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Yeah, but that really only counts if one is making an INFORMED decision. If God is keeping information away from us then we aren't practicing "free agency".

If I never trained my child in the dangers of a gun and then left a loaded gun laying around with the child unattended am I a good parent?
 
Kafka said:
Yeah, but that really only counts if one is making an INFORMED decision. If God is keeping information away from us then we aren't practicing "free agency".
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God is not keeping information away from us. You are free to choose. You are NOT free of the consequences of that choice.
Kafka said:
If I never trained my child in the dangers of a gun and then left a loaded gun laying around with the child unattended am I a good parent?
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You hate children. You don't have children. Stop using them as pawns.
 
zymurgy said:
our children?


if you are asking at what point something is parental right vs abuse - that is a function of representative government
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no it isn't.

a representative government could be corrupted to do the most heinous things.

morality is rational and verifiable.

it's just nobody likes to feel bad about being bad.
 
Kamala Trump said:
no it isn't.

a representative government could be corrupted to do the most heinous things.

morality is rational and verifiable.

it's just nobody likes to feel bad about being bad.
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derp stick has a name change - but is still a retard

it's settled derp stick. society decides what constitutes child abuse

now fuck off retardo
 
Kafka said:
But wouldn't it be BETTER if Jahweh were to communicate to everyone NOW so that they don't wind up killing each other over something Yahweh's going to straighten out in the end?

There's a lot of people throughout our entire human history who have mercilessly slaughtered each other over competing versions of religion.

Presumably if God is real and if God is a "personal" God in that he cares about the individual, then why let millennia of humans kill each other over religion?
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perversion of the message by worldly war mongers who use any reason to perpetuate their profitable violence.

but above all this.

morality is real.

it's in the religions, but steadfastly ignored by the powers that be. actually fund research to pervert it all, to confuse you.

but the deal with god is that the truth does have to be out there.


Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
;“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19&nbsp;honor your father and mother,’[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 19:16-24&amp;version=NIV#fen-NIV-23782a" title="See footnote a">a</a>] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew 19:16-24&amp;version=NIV#fen-NIV-23782b" title="See footnote b">b</a>]”

“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24&nbsp;Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

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The Rich and the Kingdom of God - Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” “Which ones?” he...
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