Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged (Movie)

Yeah, I'm actually quite hyped. I haven't had one of my favorites come out as a movie in years. Since Shogun I think... and that was a mini-series.
 
I like that they are doing it in parts, so that they can cram as much of the book onto the screen this way. I imagine it will cut off shortly before "the speech." I actually purchased a set at Borders containing both Atlas and Fountainhead, but I haven't got around to reading much more than a few chapters of Atlas.
 
Bfgrn said:
You have twisted what I said. Is it out of ignorance or malice?
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you are full of shit. You flat out said that if Libertarians were for machineguns and rocket launchers, then these guys were Libertarians and you posted a picture of Hitler. don't dig your idiot hole any deeper than it already is.
 
Bfgrn said:
Hey, maybe they can make Mein Kampf into a movie for you right wingers too!
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Right. Because Totalitarianism is the same thing as Libertarianism... :rolleyes:

Tell me all about how Stalin was a "Right Winger", how Communism isn't really "left" and nobody has ever used power in Communistic societies to kill millions more than even Hitler killed...

Ignorance is bliss, especially if you have a talent for ignoring reality so you can pretend to think you are somehow "better" than others. My guess is you pressing Mein Kampf onto others as a belief system without regard to any understanding of their belief is a sign of projection. Tell me how it feels to believe in National Socialism?
 
Damocles said:
Right. Because Totalitarianism is the same thing as Libertarianism... :rolleyes:

Tell me all about how Stalin was a "Right Winger", how Communism isn't really "left" and nobody has ever used power in Communistic societies to kill millions more than even Hitler killed...

Ignorance is bliss, especially if you have a talent for ignoring reality so you can pretend to think you are somehow "better" than others. My guess is you pressing Mein Kampf onto others as a belief system without regard to any understanding of their belief is a sign of projection. Tell me how it feels to believe in National Socialism?
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Hey Damo, keep living in your false little world of liberalism as the root of all evil, in a country founded BY liberals and being destroyed BY conservatives. Our founding fathers were not libertarians, they were the antithesis of the narcissist fascist personality like Ayn Rand. They didn't build or envision a society built on solipsism. The Ayn Rand libertarian narcissism owes much more to 19th century German ideas than to the 18th century Anglo-American legacy.

George Washington’s favorite play was Joseph Addison’s Cato, published in 1713. Washington adapted words from that play in his famous speech quelling the Newburgh mutiny in 1783. Patrick Henry’s “give me liberty or give me death” was likewise a paraphrase of a speech from Addison’s play. Ditto Nathan Hale’s “I only regret I have but one life to give for my country.”

And what was the message of that play? That the most precious thing in life is honor. And what is honor? It is the esteem of the wise and the good. Better to die in a way that earns the admiration of others than to live without that admiration. It is hard to imagine a more radical antipode to Ayn Rand’s formula, “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
 
Bfgrn said:
Hey Damo, keep living in your false little world of liberalism as the root of all evil, in a country founded BY liberals and being destroyed BY conservatives. Our founding fathers were not libertarians, they were the antithesis of the narcissist fascist personality like Ayn Rand. They didn't build or envision a society built on solipsism. The Ayn Rand libertarian narcissism owes much more to 19th century German ideas than to the 18th century Anglo-American legacy.

George Washington’s favorite play was Joseph Addison’s Cato, published in 1713. Washington adapted words from that play in his famous speech quelling the Newburgh mutiny in 1783. Patrick Henry’s “give me liberty or give me death” was likewise a paraphrase of a speech from Addison’s play. Ditto Nathan Hale’s “I only regret I have but one life to give for my country.”

And what was the message of that play? That the most precious thing in life is honor. And what is honor? It is the esteem of the wise and the good. Better to die in a way that earns the admiration of others than to live without that admiration. It is hard to imagine a more radical antipode to Ayn Rand’s formula, “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
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Where have I ever said that liberalism is the "root of evil"? You again project your thought onto others where you believe that either they think as you do, or they are "evil". I believe that liberals are misguided, not evil.

My point is that totalitarianism is not a "right" thing, nor is it ever Libertarian. It is preposterous to suggest it is if you knew anything at all about how Libertarians think and believe. You take an out of context quote from a character in a novel and pretend it is the central belief of others. You have argued that all totalitarians are "right", yet example after example of leftist totalitarians are brought to your attention, yet you are able to ignore that reality.

Now you can sit in your little dark room telling yourself that all things Libertarian are "evil" if you want, just don't project that same belief onto me. You are not evil, just deliberately ignorant.
 
Bfgrn said:
Hey Damo, keep living in your false little world of liberalism as the root of all evil, in a country founded BY liberals and being destroyed BY conservatives. Our founding fathers were not libertarians, they were the antithesis of the narcissist fascist personality like Ayn Rand. They didn't build or envision a society built on solipsism. The Ayn Rand libertarian narcissism owes much more to 19th century German ideas than to the 18th century Anglo-American legacy.

George Washington’s favorite play was Joseph Addison’s Cato, published in 1713. Washington adapted words from that play in his famous speech quelling the Newburgh mutiny in 1783. Patrick Henry’s “give me liberty or give me death” was likewise a paraphrase of a speech from Addison’s play. Ditto Nathan Hale’s “I only regret I have but one life to give for my country.”

And what was the message of that play? That the most precious thing in life is honor. And what is honor? It is the esteem of the wise and the good. Better to die in a way that earns the admiration of others than to live without that admiration. It is hard to imagine a more radical antipode to Ayn Rand’s formula, “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
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do they have jedi knights in your reality as well? how about jawas? or tusken raiders?
 
Damocles said:
Where have I ever said that liberalism is the "root of evil"? You again project your thought onto others where you believe that either they think as you do, or they are "evil". I believe that liberals are misguided, not evil.

My point is that totalitarianism is not a "right" thing, nor is it ever Libertarian. It is preposterous to suggest it is if you knew anything at all about how Libertarians think and believe. You take an out of context quote from a character in a novel and pretend it is the central belief of others. You have argued that all totalitarians are "right", yet example after example of leftist totalitarians are brought to your attention, yet you are able to ignore that reality.

Now you can sit in your little dark room telling yourself that all things Libertarian are "evil" if you want, just don't project that same belief onto me. You are not evil, just deliberately ignorant.
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I have said what Robert Altmeyer said: While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

Left and right is a parochial term. The world doesn't revolve around or conform to parochial American indoctrination and definitions. A conservative in Russia has no allegiance to capitalism or any 'western' tenets or orthodoxy. A conservative in Russia would want to conserve communism. Stalin attended the Georgian Orthodox seminary. He was no liberal.

The right in this country continues to confuse left and right with liberal and conservative, using Americanized definitions.
 
Bfgrn said:
Really? Define liberty?
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"Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)."
 
King of Guns said:
"Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)."
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Individual rights are not subject to a public vote or majority rule, but they are always subject to the rights of others.
 
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