Benjamin Franklin - Founding Father of the United States

Nordberg said:
If needed .https://constitutionus.com/additional-documents/who-wrote-the-articles-of-confederation/
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Dude, I already noted that Franklin wrote a draft which was shot down. It was already noted that the version approved was not Franklin's. If that's what you are pissed about, then I don't understand why you are angry.

OTOH, if what you are really pissed about is that I questioned your hyperbole, then please let me know.
Nordberg said:
I believe he authored the Articles of Confederation, which was a big fail.
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What compels you to shit all over Franklin by, at best, exaggerating the truth? Claiming he "authored the Articles of Confederation" is true through lying by omission.
 
Celticguy said:
according to some accounts, it was difficult to miss.
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:laugh:

If he was inside the door, then it's peeking....the deeper the better, of course. Kinda like a sniper position.

BTW, the only people allowed to wear their hats backwards are catchers and snipers...and only when on the job.
If it's really windy, sure. Everyone else is a fucking moron.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
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If he was inside the door, then it's peeking....the deeper the better, of course. Kinda like a sniper position.

BTW, the only people allowed to wear their hats backwards are catchers and snipers...and only when on the job.
If it's really windy, sure. Everyone else is a fucking moron.
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no, he wasnt lurking back in the room. front and center for ole Ben.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Dude, I already noted that Franklin wrote a draft which was shot down. It was already noted that the version approved was not Franklin's. If that's what you are pissed about, then I don't understand why you are angry.

OTOH, if what you are really pissed about is that I questioned your hyperbole, then please let me know.

What compels you to shit all over Franklin by, at best, exaggerating the truth? Claiming he "authored the Articles of Confederation" is true through lying by omission.
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I do not get pissed. You should exercise better self-control. His contributions did not fade into the ether.
 
Nordberg said:
I do not get pissed. You should exercise better self-control. His contributions did not fade into the ether.
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You seemed upset. Thanks. I do my best to maintain self-control, meaning allowing reason to command emotions instead of a dumbass ruled by their own emotions like #45.
 
That was a very good film by Ken Burns about Benjamin Franklin, Ben was far from the perfect man, but strive to be a better man all his life?!! I can relate to some of his life, I went out on my own at age 17 too, it was helluva adventure too?!!
 
Ken Burns is now doing a 4 part series on Ben Franklin?

Geez...what's next?

Ken Burns 6 part series on wood pulp?

Ken Burns 12 part series on oxygen?

Ken Burns 47.897 series on Uranus - The Misunderstood Planet.

I loved his Civil War thing.
I was okay about Baseball.
Now...I am bored of the guy and his ultra-serious, over-dramatic take on everything.
 
McRocket said:
Whores?
Okaaaaay.

I have known a LOT of escorts in my life.
Yet to meet one who liked to be called 'whore'.

Whatever.
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But dig a little deeper in the history books, and you may be surprised to find that the genteel, wise, and portly old Franklin had an incontrollable weakness for the opposite sex. As a teenager, he made advances towards his good friend's mistress (yes, that was the end of their friendship)

Franklin's libido was apparently so strong, he himself was scared of it. In his autobiography, he confessed: "the hard-to-be-governed passion of my youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way."

Perhaps one of the more revealing documents on his views on women, which had been known in certain circles but kept under wraps for almost 200 years, was a letter he wrote in 1745, offering advice to a young man who was having trouble with his own insatiable libido.

In the letter, which was entitled "Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress," Franklin advised: "In all your Amours, you should prefer old Women to young ones." He goes on to explain that with older women they tend to have more discretion, will take care of you when you're sick, are cleaner than prostitutes, and that "there is no hazard of children." He also offered that you can't really tell who's old or young when you're in the dark.

https://www.biography.com/news/benjamin-franklin-ladies-man-famous-love-affairs-video
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Tonight and tomorrow a 4 hour Ken Burns documentary runs on PBS.


https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/benjamin-franklin/
Ken Burns’s four-hour documentary, Benjamin Franklin, explores the revolutionary life of one of the 18th century’s most consequential figures, whose work and words unlocked the mystery of electricity and helped create the United States.

https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/benjamin-franklin/watch

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Benjamin-Franklin
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So what's your favorite Ben Franklin quote?
 
AProudLefty said:
But dig a little deeper in the history books, and you may be surprised to find that the genteel, wise, and portly old Franklin had an incontrollable weakness for the opposite sex. As a teenager, he made advances towards his good friend's mistress (yes, that was the end of their friendship)

Franklin's libido was apparently so strong, he himself was scared of it. In his autobiography, he confessed: "the hard-to-be-governed passion of my youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way."

Perhaps one of the more revealing documents on his views on women, which had been known in certain circles but kept under wraps for almost 200 years, was a letter he wrote in 1745, offering advice to a young man who was having trouble with his own insatiable libido.

In the letter, which was entitled "Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress," Franklin advised: "In all your Amours, you should prefer old Women to young ones." He goes on to explain that with older women they tend to have more discretion, will take care of you when you're sick, are cleaner than prostitutes, and that "there is no hazard of children." He also offered that you can't really tell who's old or young when you're in the dark.

https://www.biography.com/news/benjamin-franklin-ladies-man-famous-love-affairs-video
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There is no such thing as a 'incontrollable weakness for the opposite sex'.

It's just a guy that likes to get laid - for whatever reason - and lets himself off the hook by saying 'I cannot control it'.

There is NO desire that a sane, rational human being cannot control.

It's just whether they want to badly enough that is the deciding factor.
 
McRocket said:
There is no such thing as a 'incontrollable weakness for the opposite sex'.

It's just a guy that likes to get laid - for whatever reason - and lets himself off the hook by saying 'I cannot control it'.

There is NO desire that a sane, rational human being cannot control.

It's just whether they want to badly enough that is the deciding factor.
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Ever heard of Sexaholics Anonymous?
 
AProudLefty said:
Ever heard of Sexaholics Anonymous?
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Yup.

No offense, but imo?
A bunch of weak people who have not got the guts/strength to control themselves.

When I was hooked on crack, I went to 3 Cocaine Anonymous meetings...with over 100 people at each one.
The place was filled with pathetic losers (rich and poor) who like to sit around and make each other feel better by consoling themselves that they are not the only, pathetically weak people in the world.
And they give each other pats on the back for quitting rock for a week or two.
And most of them whine about it like it is a 'disease' (which it is NOT)- which allows them to let themselves off the hook for being so INCREDIBLY weak.
It's not their fault they cannot stop...'it's the power of the drug'.
What a load of self-centered shit.

I quit crack on my own, by myself.
Why?
Because I finally got the guts and the inner strength to do so.

ANYONE sane and rational can quit ANYTHING if they want to badly enough.

The only people who cannot are people with serious, chemical imbalances in their brains.
And they should not even be in society if they are that far gone and potentially dangerous.
 
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McRocket said:
Yup.

No offense, but imo?
A bunch of weak people who have not not the guts/strength to control themselves.

When I was hooked on crack, I went to 3 Cocaine Anonymous meetings...with over 100 people at each one.
The place was filled with pathetic losers (rich and poor) who like to sit around and make each other feel better by consoling themselves that they are not the only, pathetically weak people in the world.
And they give each other pats on the back for quitting rock for a week or two.
And most of them whine about it like it is a 'disease' (which it is NOT)- which allows them to let themselves off the hook for being so INCREDIBLY weak.
It's not their fault they cannot stop...'it's the power of the drug'.
What a load of self-centered shit.

I quit crack on my own, by myself.
Why?
Because I finally got the guts and the inner strength to do so.

ANYONE sane and rational can quit ANYTHING if they want to badly enough.

The only people who cannot are people with serious, chemical imbalances in their brains.
And they should not even be in society if they are that far gone and potentially dangerous.
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I agree with you on the consoling each other. They all knew. I had a few friends who have been in NA meetings and programs. One explained to me the reason why they always hug each other after a meeting.... it's because they may be the last people to be seen again.
 
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