Benjamin Franklin - Founding Father of the United States

AProudLefty said:
I agree with you on the consoling each other. They all knew. I had a few friends who have been in NA meetings and programs. One explained to me the reason why they always hug each other after a meeting.... it's because they may be the last people to be seen again.
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I have nothing against consoling and hugging each other.
Nothing wrong with that.

But the minute someone decides they 'cannot' stop doing something?
is the minute they decide it is not their fault that they cannot stop.
And it is not their fault that they steal and rob for money to feed their habit...because they 'cannot stop'.
'It's not my fault - it's the crack/rock's fault'.

I was on rock for 3 years.
During that time - I NEVER met a more pathetic bunch of wimps in my life than other crackheads.
And actually, I would say most of them were average-to-above average in intelligence.
But there was almost NOTHING they would not stoop to, to get high.
And they never, EVER seemed to take responsibility for their actions.

That was honestly one of the reasons I quit.
I was SICK of spending time with such a bunch of astoundingly selfish/weak, human beings.
Blah.
 
McRocket said:
But the minute someone decides they 'cannot' stop doing something?
is the minute they decide it is not their fault that they cannot stop.
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That's the nexus of the problem, isn't it?

I know this isn't the same or comparable but I used to smoke/dip for over 10 years. I kept saying that I couldn't stop/quit the habit.

Then all of sudden one day it was like clicking the damn light switch off. That was it. It's inexplicable.
 
AProudLefty said:
That's the nexus of the problem, isn't it?

I know this isn't the same or comparable but I used to smoke/dip for over 10 years. I kept saying that I couldn't stop/quit the habit.

Then all of sudden one day it was like clicking the damn light switch off. That was it. It's inexplicable.
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Good for you.

I don't mind when people say 'I don't want to quit'.
At least they are being honest with themselves.

But when people start saying 'I can't quit'?
That is when I want nothing to do with that person - because they have just given themselves permission to do almost anything to keep their addiction going.
And blame it on the 'addiction'.
 
McRocket said:
Good for you.

I don't mind when people say 'I don't want to quit'.
At least they are being honest with themselves.

But when people start saying 'I can't quit'?
That is when I want nothing to do with that person - because they have just given themselves permission to do almost anything to keep their addiction going.
And blame it on the 'addiction'.
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Yeah you do have a great point. Don't say you can't quit. Admit that you do not want to quit. That would solve a lot of problems.

Everyone CAN quit. It's about WANT.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It was a stepping stone. That's like saying "The Mercury Project was a dismal failure because it never reached the Moon". Duh.

The other lie is that Franklin wrote it. His draft was never even considered by Congress: https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/articles-of-confederation

Altogether, six drafts of the Articles were prepared before Congress settled on a final version in 1777. Benjamin Franklin wrote the first and presented it to Congress in July 1775. It was never formally considered. Later in the year Silas Deane, a delegate from Connecticut, offered one of his own, which was followed still later by a draft from the Connecticut delegation, probably a revision of Deane’s.

None of these drafts contributed significantly to the fourth version written by John Dickinson of Pennsylvania, the text that after much revision provided the basis for the Articles approved by Congress. Dickinson prepared his draft in June 1776; it was revised by a committee of Congress and discussed in late July and August. The result, the third version of Dickinson’s original, was printed to enable Congress to consider it further. In November 1777 the final Articles, much altered by this long deliberative process, were approved for submission to the states.
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Mistake not a lie. This thread though is a nice review.
 
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