Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
you got cheated by whoever or whatever created you.
Bernie wins New Hampshire!
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you got cheated by whoever or whatever created you.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
im fine with me.
Why would he suck as President?
If all 95 million Bernie supporters, who you say stayed home in 2016 because he wasn't the nominee, also voted down ballot, wouldn't that give Bernie a Congress and Senate that would actually get things done?
You might as well just vote for Trump, since that seems like what you want to do. So your action is to do that which you blame Bernie supporters for in 2016, causing Trump to be President?
Tell me again why anyone should give a shit about your vote?
Because it was rigged for Clinton, duh. That's why the only real challenge was from Sanders; O'Malley dropped out before Iowa, if I remember correctly. Why didn't Biden run in 2016? Why didn't Klobuchar? Why didn't Booker? Or Harris? Or Castro? Or Yang? Or Gabbard? Or Steyer? Or Bloomberg? Or any of the 20+ who chose to run in 2020?
Simple, because they were rigging it for Clinton. You saw that in Superdelegate commitments from states that hadn't even finished voting in the primaries.
Right, but the South and West aren't the only states to vote.
And Bernie won Washington state and Oregon. And Idaho. And Montana. And Utah. And Wyoming. And Colorado. And Alaska. And Hawaii.
In all, Clinton won 34 primaries/caucuses and Bernie won 23.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
So, like I said, ol' BS Bernie lost.
Period.
The reason he'd suck as President is because his freebies for everyone agenda would be DOA without a Senate super majority of 66 supporters which is just not going to happen no matter how hard you close your eyes, clench your fists and click the heels of your little red slippers together, Dorothy.
Like his supporters, he doesn't live in the real world and from where I sit, it looks like he's only interested in becoming President for his own personal aggrandizement.
I would love to know which of Bernie's policies is so offensive to folks who claim to be in favor of Democracy. It's nuts to want a same old same old type candidate which enabled a Trump in the first place. Obama's Centrist stances were detrimental as well. Not one bankster paid a price for the Wall Street debacle and they are at it again. A so called moderate is another nail in the coffin.
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Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
I don't think he's for anyone. Trump made promises and alliances that he gambled would get him somewhere in 2016. He is clearly committed to keeping those alliances together this year. If Trump had promised the Green New Deal in 2016, and had gotten elected, he would have spent the past three years attempting to accomplish those programs.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I agree with you that he's not for anyone but himself. [I added that part.] trump's promises are empty and only fools are gullible enough to believe him.
"Armed with deductions and loopholes, America’s largest companies paid an average federal tax rate of only 11.3% on their profits last year, roughly half the official rate under the new tax law – the lowest effective corporate tax rate in more than eighty years.
Yet almost nothing has trickled down to ordinary workers. Corporations have used most of their tax savings to buy back their shares, giving the stock market a sugar high. The typical American household remains poorer today than it was before the financial crisis began in 2007.
Trump’s tax cut has also caused the federal budget deficit to balloon. Even as pre-tax corporate profits have reached record highs, corporate tax revenues have dropped about a third under projected levels. This requires more federal dollars for interest on the debt, leaving fewer dollars for public services workers need."
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
We cut the corporate rates for the same reason that Europe maintains low rates. That was the single most important aspect of the entire tax package. Now, obviously, the treatment of individual rates was not remotely European in nature.
From a practical standpoint, individual rates do not effect the economy the way that business taxes do. The argument for lower individual rates is basically "Murricah!" I think I saw a stat that paying for the welfare state in Europe can run individuals close to 60% of their earnings.
You asked for reasons why and I gave them to you.
I can't help it if you have to be a solipsistic reductionist and act in bad faith because you have no real argument to make.
Ah, so you mean if we nominate a centrist, suddenly the Republican obstructionism that defined the Obama Presidency will magically disappear?
His supporters not only live in the real world, but are employees at these mega firms you seem determined to defend for no discernible reason.
There's a reason most of his support comes from working class people. There's a reason he has more individual donors than everyone else combined. There's a reason he's raised more money than Trump.
That reason isn't "moderation".
"Moderation" by definition dampens enthusiasm and excitement, and there's no way you beat Trump unless you have both enthusiasm and excitement.
Getin the ring
Verified User
Bernie is a funny old man
please run him, that's all I ask
please run him, that's all I ask
Getin the ring
Verified User
simple FACT is there is no way on this green'ish' earth that the Democrats can muster up any more enthusiasm as they had with Hillary, the anointed one.
and they lost.. so face the reality and start preparing for 2024. Otherwise you nut**bags are just torturing yourself... again
and they lost.. so face the reality and start preparing for 2024. Otherwise you nut**bags are just torturing yourself... again
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
A "solipsistic reductionist"????
How long did it take you to come up with that sesquipedalian balderdash, you loquacious sophist?
All you have are what if's, coulda-shoulda-woulda's, denial and victim fantasies.
No. But those sky-pie promises are all Ol' BS is running on. Free this and free that when he knows it has zero chance. Even with a 2/3 Democrat Senate majority he'd have a hard time because Dems from conservative states wouldn't stand for it.
So why elect him? At least a businessman like Bloomberg might have some pull with Repubs because he speaks their language and might actually present them with proposals a few of them could vote yes on.
Ol' BS and his far left socialist agenda would get push back from both sides.
Getting Trump out of office should be motivation enough for the little babies whose only desire is to be excited about something.
Trump actually stole many of Bernie's policy stances but lied about actually implementing them. The grifter realized that a populist would garner momentum and traction so he falsely made then his own.
Conservatives said that cutting the corporate tax rate would spur business investment.
But we now know that business investment has tapered off and wasn't even really there to begin with:
A DECLINE IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT REVEALS THE FALSE PROMISE OF DRUMPF’S TAX BILL
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...-reveals-the-false-promise-of-trumps-tax-bill
Drumpf handed big business a massive tax cut, and all he got in return was embarrassment
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-cuts-economic-gdp-business-investment-failure-2020-1
As investment continues to decline, the Drumpf tax cuts remain nothing but a handout to the rich
https://www.epi.org/blog/as-investm...uts-remain-nothing-but-a-handout-to-the-rich/
All you do is dismiss uncomfortable things because you don't want to admit your conventional wisdom has been wrong.
Calling it "free" is dishonest. It's sophistry. It's free-at-the-point-of-service, but it's funded by taxes.
At this point, pretending it's "free" in order to attack it is a lie.
What language does Bloomberg speak? The language of racist idiots? So...why would we want racist idiots leading us?
And again, did you forget about how the GOP obstructed everything during Obama? Why would they suddenly not obstruct Bloomberg?
As would any moderate or centrist, like we saw during Obama's Presidency.
So better to have someone who fights for working people than someone who doesn't.
So then if Sanders is the nominee, we can count on your vote? because you said before that you wouldn't vote for Sanders if he was the nominee. So now you're doing the very thing you accuse Bernie supproters of doing, only you're being a gigantic douchebag about it.
We did things your way in 2016, and you blew it.
So why should anyone take you seriously in 2020?
Not long at all because it's what you did, and it's what you continue to do.
You think your vote is somehow more important than someone else's, which is why you want to depress enthusiasm so that your vote will mean more.
You correctly realize that the more people who vote, the less significant your individual vote is...and you have a very solipsistic view of your own worth, hence why I called your responses solopsistic. The only reason you oppose Bernie is because he brings more people into the tent, thus diminishing your status and significance as the vote people try to get. Your ego is so massive that you think everyone must accommodate you and your shitty conventional wisdom. Wisdom that didn't produce a win just four years ago, or 2 years before that, or 4 years before that.
You were a PUMA in 2008, weren't you?
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Well DUH!!!!
That is my entire point, Einstooge!!!!!
You and your fellow bots are the ones who've been buffaloed by the false promise of freebies.
No, little SJW snowflake, he speaks the language of BUSINESS.
COMMERCE.
JOBS.
ECONOMIC GROWTH.
PROSPERITY.
As opposed to Ol' BS who speaks of pipe dreams and flowery utopian visions the type of which have been repeated over and over again but never come to fruition once reality sets in.
As for your racist accusations, as soon as you start that nonsense, your credibility, limited though it was, dries up and blows away in the hot airbag wind of your blowhard rhetoric.
Not saying they wouldn't but he'd have a better shot at accomplishing something than a doddering old socialist who everyone in the Senate already hates and has no respect for.
If Ol' BS appealed to his followers for policies other than freebie giveaways we cannot afford and pandering to SJW nitwits, I might give him a little consideration.
He can fight all he wants, but winning is another matter. If you're naive enough to believe he will single-handedly change the way govt functions or end the influence of money over power, you should just stick to your Barbie dolls, stuffed animals and having tea-parties with your girlfriends while your old Unca' Bernie tells you fairy tales.
No. I'd rather see another four years of Trump get shoved down the throats of people like so you get to choke on it everyday and realize how full of shit you are. Of course, like all self-deluded extremists, you'd figure out a way to deny that it was you all who were wrong and that everyone else who screwed the country.
Trump with a solid blue Congress to keep is ass reigned in tight would be better than listening to Ol' BS yammering like a Loon about revolution while knowing everyday he could be on the verge of another heart attack.
Bernie and his thick-skulled moron legion of bots divided the loyalties of the Democratic Party.
Stop blaming everyone else for your own stupidity.
IDGAF who or what you take seriously.