Biden, Harris are Time's 2020 'Person of the Year'

Primavera said:
If she was a man who fucked his way up the greasy pole, I'd say the same thing! Well not about the Sybian, unless he was a pillow biter of course.

In fact they used to say something similar about Peter Mandelson but I doubt you've heard of him!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jan/27/mandelson.labour
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No, only Medelson's I know live down the way & are retired attorney & judge..

Well I could be wrong but I have never read you treating any man the same way...

ANyway, was just a suggestion........hats-off-salute-smiley-emoticon.gif
 
dukkha said:
the new US Trade Rep is someone who "filed a lot of grievances" with the WTO regarding malign Chinese trade.
Sadly Biden thinks this is "being tough on China" lol
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Biden hasn't taken office yet, speculation & criticism based on it is just that.......

I have been thinking what is it we really want/need for Biden to do??

If you want to hold him accountable, we should @ least know what that is.

If he falls short, short of what, by how much etc etc etc.... :blah:

I think we need to really explore what we want, what we will accept & what we are willing to do to achieve these goals..

IMHO, short of total capitulation, war of some type is going to be part of the mix as China is not going to slowdown or relent in any meaningful way.

As we don't want war & wall street does not want to be cut off, what options, short of that can be applied & actually achieve some meaningful results??

Now that the election is behind us, I think it is something worth exploring. You?? Primavera?? Anyone??
 
christiefan915 said:
This is supposition. It's in the same category as "social security will go broke by (insert year)" "Amazon will take over NYC" "space tourism will begin" "oil will run out by 2020" "trump will win the election in a landslide" etc. The internet is teeming with failed predictions that go back decades, even centuries. You don't like Biden so you're jumping on that bandwagon; also, since when is it the US's sole responsibility to keep China in check? What's the UK doing about China?

You think trump is tough on China yet he sold out the US's soybean farmers as his show of strength. He doesn't really give a rat's ass about farmers, just about maintaining his self-proclaimed image as a great dealmaker.

Biden wants to appoint Katherine Tai as the US's top trade rep and she's a long-time critic of China. Read this article: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/10/biden-to-name-katherine-tai-us-trade-representative.html

I think you're jumping the gun about Biden and China. In the past he carried out Obama's policies but now he's in charge and can run his own agenda.
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Biden wants to have a massive programme of wind turbines which depend massively on rare earths. The Chinese control the supply and the price of them. They do the same with cobalt and nickel for electric car batteries. Not to mention vast amounts of copper as well. It's touching that you have such faith in SloJo, when he's never given any reason to be trusted in the past.

Molycorp in California was allowed to go broke and is now partly owned by the Chinese. The US has a mine at Mountain Pass but no reprocessing facilities. Here is the shame of it, they have to send the ores to China!
 
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Bill said:
Biden hasn't taken office yet, speculation & criticism based on it is just that.......

I have been thinking what is it we really want/need for Biden to do??

If you want to hold him accountable, we should @ least know what that is.

If he falls short, short of what, by how much etc etc etc.... :blah:

I think we need to really explore what we want, what we will accept & what we are willing to do to achieve these goals..

IMHO, short of total capitulation, war of some type is going to be part of the mix as China is not going to slowdown or relent in any meaningful way.

As we don't want war & wall street does not want to be cut off, what options, short of that can be applied & actually achieve some meaningful results??

Now that the election is behind us, I think it is something worth exploring. You?? Primavera?? Anyone??
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Instead of always asking the questions, why don't you answer a few for once?
 
Bill said:
No, only Medelson's I know live down the way & are retired attorney & judge..

Well I could be wrong but I have never read you treating any man the same way...

ANyway, was just a suggestion........View attachment 18314
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You Americans are far more worried about inconsequentials than the fact that China has you all by the short and curlies. If Biden wants to roll out his GND then China holds all the cards, so maybe he can get HH to work her magic on Xi?

Oh, on a more serious note, here is a good example of the laser-like Harris mind in action!!

The Foolish Economic Agenda of Kamala Harris
Another bad idea from the Democratic presidential hopeful.

VERONIQUE DE RUGY | 5.30.2019 12:01 AM

One of the many problems with politicians is that it seems like they're in the outrage business. Some act as if they won't be needed unless there is some extreme wrong or insufferable unfairness to address. That's how we end up with politicians fighting mostly imaginary battles, which they propose to address through great sound bites and bad policies.

The latest case in point is presidential hopeful Kamala Harris' plan for "Holding Corporations Accountable for Pay Inequality in America."

The Democratic California senator's stated goal is to produce a world with "equal pay for equal work." There's nothing wrong with that, of course, if there's actually a problem. In her new report, she claims, like many others before her, that this is indeed an issue and that "women who work full time are paid just 80 cents, on average, for every dollar paid to men." That's the foundation of her report, and that number is actually meaningless.

The way she calculated this pay gap was by taking everyone who works 35 hours or more a week for the full year to find the median for women and the median for men. The problem is that these numbers don't compare women with men who perform the same jobs, work the same number of hours, and have the same education. In addition, the work of Harvard economist Claudia Goldin, whose work is impossible to ignore on the left, has shown that when measured properly, the small pay gap that remains still isn't the product of discrimination.

Instead, Goldin finds that men and women are paid differently because women demand what she calls "temporal flexibility." As she explained a few years ago in a Freakonomics podcast interview, this means "anything that leads you to want to have more time." Others call it the "caregiver" or "mommy tax." Some women care for children or aging parents, which requires more flexibility in the workplace—a choice or necessity that leads to differences in job selection for women and men.

There are reasons to believe that as the workplace continues to evolve and with more telecommuting, maybe more paternal involvement in children's lives and a greater willingness of clients to substitute one worker for another (like when consumers go to the pharmacy and don't care which pharmacist they see because they are almost perfect substitutes to one another), we will see even greater convergence between men's and women's job selections.

In other words, Harris is barking up the wrong tree and using shoddy data. Then she doubles down with incredibly foolish public policy. Always the enforcer, she wants to require employers with more than 100 workers to go through the trouble of proving to a federal bureaucrat that "they're not paying women less than men for work of equal value" in exchange for an "Equal Pay Certification." If they fail to do so, they'll have to pay Uncle Sam "1% of their profits for every 1% wage gap they allow to persist."

While that may sound like a bureaucratic nightmare, it's probably even worse. Imagine the qualifying businesses having to prove that their roughly 80 million combined employees are paid according to their performance reviews and tasks. If everyone were working in factories and producing identical widgets, it wouldn't be so hard. But that's not what most businesses are like these days. Think about the work produced at think tanks, law firms, or even hospitals. How do employers report their employees' divergence in creativity, entrepreneurial risk-taking, or managerial talents? Every wage gap will become a liability that, in the worst-case scenario, could be remedied by employing fewer women or scaling back on flexibility so that every job looks as similar as possible.

https://reason.com/2019/05/30/the-foolish-economic-agenda-of-kamala-harris/
 
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christiefan915 said:
This is supposition. It's in the same category as "social security will go broke by (insert year)" "Amazon will take over NYC" "space tourism will begin" "oil will run out by 2020" "trump will win the election in a landslide" etc. The internet is teeming with failed predictions that go back decades, even centuries. You don't like Biden so you're jumping on that bandwagon; also, since when is it the US's sole responsibility to keep China in check? What's the UK doing about China?

You think trump is tough on China yet he sold out the US's soybean farmers as his show of strength. He doesn't really give a rat's ass about farmers, just about maintaining his self-proclaimed image as a great dealmaker.

Biden wants to appoint Katherine Tai as the US's top trade rep and she's a long-time critic of China. Read this article: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/10/biden-to-name-katherine-tai-us-trade-representative.html

I think you're jumping the gun about Biden and China. In the past he carried out Obama's policies but now he's in charge and can run his own agenda.
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You forgot to add asshatzombie broke youtube & couldn't find the pieces.......:laugh:
 
Primavera said:
You Americans are far more worried about inconsequentials than the fact that China has you all by the short and curlies. If Biden wants to roll out his GND then China holds all the cards, so maybe he can get HH to work her magic on Xi?

Oh, on a more serious note, here is a good example of the laser-like Harris mind in action!!

The Foolish Economic Agenda of Kamala Harris
Another bad idea from the Democratic presidential hopeful.

VERONIQUE DE RUGY | 5.30.2019 12:01 AM

One of the many problems with politicians is that it seems like they're in the outrage business. Some act as if they won't be needed unless there is some extreme wrong or insufferable unfairness to address. That's how we end up with politicians fighting mostly imaginary battles, which they propose to address through great sound bites and bad policies.

The latest case in point is presidential hopeful Kamala Harris' plan for "Holding Corporations Accountable for Pay Inequality in America."

The Democratic California senator's stated goal is to produce a world with "equal pay for equal work." There's nothing wrong with that, of course, if there's actually a problem. In her new report, she claims, like many others before her, that this is indeed an issue and that "women who work full time are paid just 80 cents, on average, for every dollar paid to men." That's the foundation of her report, and that number is actually meaningless.

The way she calculated this pay gap was by taking everyone who works 35 hours or more a week for the full year to find the median for women and the median for men. The problem is that these numbers don't compare women with men who perform the same jobs, work the same number of hours, and have the same education. In addition, the work of Harvard economist Claudia Goldin, whose work is impossible to ignore on the left, has shown that when measured properly, the small pay gap that remains still isn't the product of discrimination.

Instead, Goldin finds that men and women are paid differently because women demand what she calls "temporal flexibility." As she explained a few years ago in a Freakonomics podcast interview, this means "anything that leads you to want to have more time." Others call it the "caregiver" or "mommy tax." Some women care for children or aging parents, which requires more flexibility in the workplace—a choice or necessity that leads to differences in job selection for women and men.

There are reasons to believe that as the workplace continues to evolve and with more telecommuting, maybe more paternal involvement in children's lives and a greater willingness of clients to substitute one worker for another (like when consumers go to the pharmacy and don't care which pharmacist they see because they are almost perfect substitutes to one another), we will see even greater convergence between men's and women's job selections.

In other words, Harris is barking up the wrong tree and using shoddy data. Then she doubles down with incredibly foolish public policy. Always the enforcer, she wants to require employers with more than 100 workers to go through the trouble of proving to a federal bureaucrat that "they're not paying women less than men for work of equal value" in exchange for an "Equal Pay Certification." If they fail to do so, they'll have to pay Uncle Sam "1% of their profits for every 1% wage gap they allow to persist."

While that may sound like a bureaucratic nightmare, it's probably even worse. Imagine the qualifying businesses having to prove that their roughly 80 million combined employees are paid according to their performance reviews and tasks. If everyone were working in factories and producing identical widgets, it wouldn't be so hard. But that's not what most businesses are like these days. Think about the work produced at think tanks, law firms, or even hospitals. How do employers report their employees' divergence in creativity, entrepreneurial risk-taking, or managerial talents? Every wage gap will become a liability that, in the worst-case scenario, could be remedied by employing fewer women or scaling back on flexibility so that every job looks as similar as possible.

https://reason.com/2019/05/30/the-foolish-economic-agenda-of-kamala-harris/
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I don't see most Americans worried about china, not even here, in fact I see just the opposite..

On the topic I probably speak to anatta/dukkha & you about china/ccp more than the rest of the board put together-no interest....

Maybe that will change as the election fades & new realities set in..

Whatever her agenda may be, it will be secondary @ best to Bidens.. He was VP for 8 years & knows what her job is & place in the pecking order.

DC has a way of changing ppl & their agendas we'll see what happens, what she actually attempts/accomplishes......
 
Bill said:
I don't see most Americans worried about china, not even here, in fact I see just the opposite..

On the topic I probably speak to anatta/dukkha & you about china/ccp more than the rest of the board put together-no interest....

Maybe that will change as the election fades & new realities set in..

Whatever her agenda may be, it will be secondary @ best to Bidens.. He was VP for 8 years & knows what her job is & place in the pecking order.

DC has a way of changing ppl & their agendas we'll see what happens, what she actually attempts/accomplishes......
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That's almost all of the problem right there, China should concern them as it is intent on dominating the world's economy, sea lanes, skies and resources. I told Christy the other day that China consumed in just three years as much concrete as the US in the 20th century but evoked little interest.
 
Primavera said:
Kebabs, especially doner kebabs, have become popular in Thailand along with pizzas and burgers.
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They are pretty tasty......

Personally I don't eat hamburgers much any more, pretty boring.. Every place tries to reinvent it, add a twist but bun & meat~you can only do so much..

Smash burger was popular recently-yea, a burger smashed, whipEEE

A local that is fairly popular is squeeze in, named after their tiny original location (closed because of wheel chair access unavailable)

They do a cheese skirt-take a decent sized slab of ground cow & toss on a handful of cheese, most of which does not stay on the burger, they place a cap it & fry it on the grill another min or so....

It is ok but they use American cheese which isn't really cheese & I don't think it could be called cheese any place but the USA-it is actually more than half something else?? :dunno: Anyway so the real crispy fried parts are not bad, but the cheap milky crap is a huge disappointment IMHO......
 
John Barron said:
President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, who defeated President Donald Trump in one of the most bitter presidential elections in U.S. history, are Time magazine's "Person of the Year" for 2020.

https://www.aol.com/news/biden-harris-times-2020-person-044300443.html
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Is this like Obama winning a Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing but getting elected, because it sure as hell looks that way... My take is a bunch of giddy Leftists at Time decided this on the basis of TDS and nothing else. I'd sure love to see Biden screw up once he's in office just to watch them have eat their stupid choice in say six months... Much like Time had to decades ago when they made Hitler Person of the Year...
 
Primavera said:
That's almost all of the problem right there, China should concern them as it is intent on dominating the world's economy, sea lanes, skies and resources. I told Christy the other day that China consumed in just three years as much concrete as the US in the 20th century but evoked little interest.
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I saw that about the concrete..

IMHO here is part of the problem-for all our lives we have been told we are the badest MF's on the planet & always will be.. Biggest best etc etc etc:blah:

When we tell ppl about china they only hear/think it is a vague esoteric threat way off in the future & of course are tech, our military our goodness will prevail as it always has...........

What they should do is be taken by the hand & into the warehouse of their local walmart.....They could find some produce grown in the USA, but not likely much else-if anything..

It usually goes like this: oh they have ghost cities, their economy is fake, going to collapse @ any second :blah: while overlooking/ignorant to Shenzhen-rivaling hong kong & silicon valley & in 30 years from a shithole fishing village.. & add to that there are 24 of those around-rivaling hong kong in many ways now

In a few years they will be the # economy writing the rules, not the USA/west.....

Going to be quite a shock to millions
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Is this like Obama winning a Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing but getting elected, because it sure as hell looks that way... My take is a bunch of giddy Leftists at Time decided this on the basis of TDS and nothing else. I'd sure love to see Biden screw up once he's in office just to watch them have eat their stupid choice in say six months... Much like Time had to decades ago when they made Hitler Person of the Year...
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You should keep in mind that if Biden screws up we are picking up the pieces & the tab..........

It appeared to me similar to the Nobel not bush prize Obama won also..
 
Bill said:
You should keep in mind that if Biden screws up we are picking up the pieces & the tab..........

It appeared to me similar to the Nobel not bush prize Obama won also..
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Yea, unfortunately... And, I'm fully expecting that to be the case. Joke Biden is looking like he's going to end up with a cabinet and advisors that are a combination of loser retreads from the Obama administration along with high power lobbyists and professional Washington insiders. That's a recipe for disastrous policy, particularly domestic. But, given the idiocy that the last four Democrats elected president did, why should we expect Biden to be any different?
 
Bill said:
I saw that about the concrete..

IMHO here is part of the problem-for all our lives we have been told we are the badest MF's on the planet & always will be.. Biggest best etc etc etc:blah:

When we tell ppl about china they only hear/think it is a vague esoteric threat way off in the future & of course are tech, our military our goodness will prevail as it always has...........

What they should do is be taken by the hand & into the warehouse of their local walmart.....They could find some produce grown in the USA, but not likely much else-if anything..

It usually goes like this: oh they have ghost cities, their economy is fake, going to collapse @ any second :blah: while overlooking/ignorant to Shenzhen-rivaling hong kong & silicon valley & in 30 years from a shithole fishing village.. & add to that there are 24 of those around-rivaling hong kong in many ways now

In a few years they will be the # economy writing the rules, not the USA/west.....

Going to be quite a shock to millions
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And you really expect SloJo and HH to do anything about it? Trump was your last hope but you're all more concerned about him because he's not nice and cuddly and likes to fuck women. I can't help thinking you all deserve what's going to happen to you.
 
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