Biden Presidency Will Be The Best Thing For The Environment

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Trump has routinely cut back on environmental regulations - which has resulted in environmental disaster.

15 Ways The Trump Administration Has Changed Environmental Policies

1. U.S. pulls out of Paris Climate Agreement

2. Trump EPA poised to scrap clean power plan

3. EPA loosens regulations on toxic air pollution

4. Rescinding methane-flaring rules

5. Trump announces plan to weaken Obama-era fuel economy rules

6. Trump revokes flood standards accounting for sea-level rise

7. Waters of the U.S. Rule revocation

8. NOAA green lights seismic airgun blasts for oil and gas drilling

9. Interior Department relaxes sage grouse protection

10. Trump officials propose changes to handling the Endangered Species Act

11. Migratory Bird Treaty Act reinterpretation

12. Trump unveils plan to dramatically downsize two national monuments

13. Executive order calls for sharp logging increase on public lands

14. Trump drops climate change from list of national security threats

15. EPA criminal enforcement hits 30-year low
 
PoliTalker said:
Trump has routinely cut back on environmental regulations - which has resulted in environmental disaster.

15 Ways The Trump Administration Has Changed Environmental Policies

1. U.S. pulls out of Paris Climate Agreement

2. Trump EPA poised to scrap clean power plan

3. EPA loosens regulations on toxic air pollution

4. Rescinding methane-flaring rules

5. Trump announces plan to weaken Obama-era fuel economy rules

6. Trump revokes flood standards accounting for sea-level rise

7. Waters of the U.S. Rule revocation

8. NOAA green lights seismic airgun blasts for oil and gas drilling

9. Interior Department relaxes sage grouse protection

10. Trump officials propose changes to handling the Endangered Species Act

11. Migratory Bird Treaty Act reinterpretation

12. Trump unveils plan to dramatically downsize two national monuments

13. Executive order calls for sharp logging increase on public lands

14. Trump drops climate change from list of national security threats

15. EPA criminal enforcement hits 30-year low
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Pay no attention to California burning in the background.........its a 93% peaceful fire.
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
Hopefully, come November, the Nightmare will be over.
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That's when we want to see the tide turn. Undoing the damage will take a long time.

It will be like any disaster recovery, except this one has been a supreme ongoing disaster.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



That's when we want to see the tide turn. Undoing the damage will take a long time.

It will be like any disaster recovery, except this one has been a supreme ongoing disaster.
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Rejoining the Paris Accord will be such a RELIEF.
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
Rejoining the Paris Accord will be such a RELIEF.
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How can anyone deny global warming now with what's going on in California?

120 degrees F in LA County.

Fires out of control.

People fleeing for their lives, jumping into lakes to escape the flames.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



How can anyone deny global warming now with what's going on in California?

120 degrees F in LA County.

Fires out of control.

People fleeing for their lives, jumping into lakes to escape the flames.
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I'll go with the Scientists explaining the Ice Melt of the Arctic.
 
Jack said:
"Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax". How stupid is THAT?
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Climate Change is real......what is not real is the false premise that MAN CAN CHANGE OR CONTROL THE CLIMATE through manipulation of carbon .....an element that is essential to all life on earth.

FYI: THE SUN is the major factor in considering climate change on earth. Climate change is a scientifically documented cyclical event.

It takes a fool to even suggest that CLIMATE can be controlled by man. The created is never superior to the creating force......its a politically based HOAX. Just like projecting that Hillary Clinton was a 95% lock to wear the crown. Why were all the polls wrong? The same reason man made climate change is a hoax..........mankind often attempts to mold their supposed facts around a predetermined model to the exclusion of reason and logic.

The lefts "scientific model". You remove an arrow from your quiver........knock the arrow and point it at a blank canvas on the side of a barn........release the arrow, immediately go draw a target around the arrow's point of impact and claim.......SEE......a perfect bullseye. :bigthink:
 
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PoliTalker said:
Trump has routinely cut back on environmental regulations - which has resulted in environmental disaster.

15 Ways The Trump Administration Has Changed Environmental Policies
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1. U.S. pulls out of Paris Climate Agreement

Good! This agreement was a sham that let "developing" nations and China off the hook for their pollution while slamming countries like the US for theirs.

2. Trump EPA poised to scrap clean power plan

Forcing the abandonment of coal and oil in favor of solar and wind isn't a plan, it's lunacy. Good thing Trump scrapped this stupidity

3. EPA loosens regulations on toxic air pollution

Wrong. Just nixed tightening the regulations further because the levels are already very low. For example, the EPA under Obama was poised to lower allowable ozone pollution to go from 75 ppb (nothing) to 65 ppb (still nothing) at an annual estimated cost of $100 billion dollars. The EPA justified this by claiming that the reduction in asthma and respiratory deaths and illnesses would be reduced by (surprise!) $100 billion dollars in a study they refused to show anybody, including Congress, where they got their numbers from

4. Rescinding methane-flaring rules

A rather minor source of CO2. But I suppose capture and use might be worthwhile...

5. Trump announces plan to weaken Obama-era fuel economy rules

Good. Obama era rules were arbitrary and would have added about $1000 per vehicle to the cost of a car. That's stupid.

6. Trump revokes flood standards accounting for sea-level rise

No, Trump revoked FEMA and the USGS collusion to greatly increase the size of flood plains across the US to force more people to buy government flood insurance to prop up FEMA's flood insurance program.

7. Waters of the U.S. Rule revocation

Great! I don't need the dry wash running through one of my properties managed by the EPA which this would have done. It was a stupid and major power grab by the EPA that would have cost hundreds of billions.

8. NOAA green lights seismic airgun blasts for oil and gas drilling

Seismic surveying has been done for decades. So? This was just another attempt to shut down the oil and gas industry

9. Interior Department relaxes sage grouse protection

Fine with me

10. Trump officials propose changes to handling the Endangered Species Act

Good.

11. Migratory Bird Treaty Act reinterpretation

Maybe the EPA etc., should be fining wind and solar farms for killing birds, bats and other avians rather than this nonsense.

12. Trump unveils plan to dramatically downsize two national monuments

The two created by Clinton that were grossly oversized to begin with because Clinton used this as a land grab to "protect" useless land from being in private hands.

13. Executive order calls for sharp logging increase on public lands

Good. About time we had better forest management than "Leave it all alone forever!"

14. Trump drops climate change from list of national security threats

Why shouldn't he? It was never a national security threat.

15. EPA criminal enforcement hits 30-year low

Good. He took away the EPA's police powers. The EPA shouldn't be playing cop to begin with. They aren't a law enforcement agency like say the FBI is. They only handle what amounts to civil suits against polluters.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
1. U.S. pulls out of Paris Climate Agreement

Good! This agreement was a sham that let "developing" nations and China off the hook for their pollution while slamming countries like the US for theirs.

2. Trump EPA poised to scrap clean power plan

Forcing the abandonment of coal and oil in favor of solar and wind isn't a plan, it's lunacy. Good thing Trump scrapped this stupidity

3. EPA loosens regulations on toxic air pollution

Wrong. Just nixed tightening the regulations further because the levels are already very low. For example, the EPA under Obama was poised to lower allowable ozone pollution to go from 75 ppb (nothing) to 65 ppb (still nothing) at an annual estimated cost of $100 billion dollars. The EPA justified this by claiming that the reduction in asthma and respiratory deaths and illnesses would be reduced by (surprise!) $100 billion dollars in a study they refused to show anybody, including Congress, where they got their numbers from

4. Rescinding methane-flaring rules

A rather minor source of CO2. But I suppose capture and use might be worthwhile...

5. Trump announces plan to weaken Obama-era fuel economy rules

Good. Obama era rules were arbitrary and would have added about $1000 per vehicle to the cost of a car. That's stupid.

6. Trump revokes flood standards accounting for sea-level rise

No, Trump revoked FEMA and the USGS collusion to greatly increase the size of flood plains across the US to force more people to buy government flood insurance to prop up FEMA's flood insurance program.

7. Waters of the U.S. Rule revocation

Great! I don't need the dry wash running through one of my properties managed by the EPA which this would have done. It was a stupid and major power grab by the EPA that would have cost hundreds of billions.

8. NOAA green lights seismic airgun blasts for oil and gas drilling

Seismic surveying has been done for decades. So? This was just another attempt to shut down the oil and gas industry

9. Interior Department relaxes sage grouse protection

Fine with me

10. Trump officials propose changes to handling the Endangered Species Act

Good.

11. Migratory Bird Treaty Act reinterpretation

Maybe the EPA etc., should be fining wind and solar farms for killing birds, bats and other avians rather than this nonsense.

12. Trump unveils plan to dramatically downsize two national monuments

The two created by Clinton that were grossly oversized to begin with because Clinton used this as a land grab to "protect" useless land from being in private hands.

13. Executive order calls for sharp logging increase on public lands

Good. About time we had better forest management than "Leave it all alone forever!"

14. Trump drops climate change from list of national security threats

Why shouldn't he? It was never a national security threat.

15. EPA criminal enforcement hits 30-year low

Good. He took away the EPA's police powers. The EPA shouldn't be playing cop to begin with. They aren't a law enforcement agency like say the FBI is. They only handle what amounts to civil suits against polluters.
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These answers indicate a concern with money and wealth; and none for lives or sustainability.

I have to wonder.

After an individual has already achieved enough wealth to live in luxury for life, what is the point in seeking more? Especially when it destroys nature? We, who are alive hear and now, are not the only humans who will ever have to live on this planet. Such an obsession with wealth, prioritized over nature, shows no concern for those humans who will come after us, including one's own descendants.

Grandchildren's lives matter.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



These answers indicate a concern with money and wealth; and none for lives or sustainability.

I have to wonder.

After an individual has already achieved enough wealth to live in luxury for life, what is the point in seeking more? Especially when it destroys nature? We, who are alive hear and now, are not the only humans who will ever have to live on this planet. Such an obsession with wealth, prioritized over nature, shows no concern for those humans who will come after us, including one's own descendants.

Grandchildren's lives matter.
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No they indicate a rational thinking on government regulation like this:

1. Not all government regulations are good, necessary, or desirable
2. More regulation is not always good, necessary, or desirable.
3. Any bureaucracy tasked with regulatory oversight will always attempt to make more regulations or tighten existing ones to expand their power and scope of authority.
4. The objective of any bureaucracy is 100% regulatory compliance and / or zero tolerance. Anything less requires more regulation.
5. Therefore, anyone who is rational and thinking should automatically question any new regulation from any bureaucracy, particularly ones that are more established as bad, unnecessary, or undesirable.

The EPA is a bureaucracy. Therefore, just because they put out a new regulation or tighten an existing one, doesn't mean it is good, necessary, or desirable. I gave examples of this. So, blindly accepting authority and that more regulation is needed is an unthinking and irrational response to a bureaucracy. What is the point of allowing the EPA to destroy the economic livelihood of individuals or businesses for no appreciable gain in environmental safety or cleanliness? Why should you or I put up the the EPA's bureaucratic obsession to have control over the entire environment and micromanage it?

The EPA should not be trusted and any decision they make should be seriously questioned as an unnecessity. Allowing them free reign results in disasters like the Gold King Mine in Colorado. Not only did the EPA create one of the worst environmental mining related disasters in the last 50 years, but they immediately washed their hands of it and let all those effected by their poor decision swing in the wind without compensation. The EPA is evil and not to be trusted.
 
PoliTalker said:
Trump has routinely cut back on environmental regulations - which has resulted in environmental disaster.

15 Ways The Trump Administration Has Changed Environmental Policies

1. U.S. pulls out of Paris Climate Agreement

2. Trump EPA poised to scrap clean power plan

3. EPA loosens regulations on toxic air pollution

4. Rescinding methane-flaring rules

5. Trump announces plan to weaken Obama-era fuel economy rules

6. Trump revokes flood standards accounting for sea-level rise

7. Waters of the U.S. Rule revocation

8. NOAA green lights seismic airgun blasts for oil and gas drilling

9. Interior Department relaxes sage grouse protection

10. Trump officials propose changes to handling the Endangered Species Act

11. Migratory Bird Treaty Act reinterpretation

12. Trump unveils plan to dramatically downsize two national monuments

13. Executive order calls for sharp logging increase on public lands

14. Trump drops climate change from list of national security threats

15. EPA criminal enforcement hits 30-year low
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Trump thanks you for this campaign ad.
 
Regulation is the friend of the people. We have no power in the face of giant corporations and the wealthy. The government protects us by forcing them to pollute less and work fairly. Every regulation removed or cut back is at the cost of the people and the benefit of corporations.
Yes, when Trump allowed coal companies to dump waste into rivers and lakes, it made more profits for coal companies. The cost is bourne by the people and it did not create jobs. Removing regulation increases profits using the same amount of work.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
No they indicate a rational thinking on government regulation like this:

1. Not all government regulations are good, necessary, or desirable
2. More regulation is not always good, necessary, or desirable.
3. Any bureaucracy tasked with regulatory oversight will always attempt to make more regulations or tighten existing ones to expand their power and scope of authority.
4. The objective of any bureaucracy is 100% regulatory compliance and / or zero tolerance. Anything less requires more regulation.
5. Therefore, anyone who is rational and thinking should automatically question any new regulation from any bureaucracy, particularly ones that are more established as bad, unnecessary, or undesirable.

The EPA is a bureaucracy. Therefore, just because they put out a new regulation or tighten an existing one, doesn't mean it is good, necessary, or desirable. I gave examples of this. So, blindly accepting authority and that more regulation is needed is an unthinking and irrational response to a bureaucracy. What is the point of allowing the EPA to destroy the economic livelihood of individuals or businesses for no appreciable gain in environmental safety or cleanliness? Why should you or I put up the the EPA's bureaucratic obsession to have control over the entire environment and micromanage it?

The EPA should not be trusted and any decision they make should be seriously questioned as an unnecessity. Allowing them free reign results in disasters like the Gold King Mine in Colorado. Not only did the EPA create one of the worst environmental mining related disasters in the last 50 years, but they immediately washed their hands of it and let all those effected by their poor decision swing in the wind without compensation. The EPA is evil and not to be trusted.
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But we can only exist when our environment is sustained.

We have individuals in our society who are so greedy that they don't care about anyone else, don't care about leaving a healthy planet for those who will come after us. They just don't care about the environment at all. Not one little bit. Their all consuming greed would ignore all of that in the quest for more wealth.

It is only logical that our government maintains a regulatory agency to ensure that such greedy individuals do not spoil the planet for everyone else.

We simply must have responsible environmental regulation.

If any part of the government that we, the people, created is not functioning adequately then the responsibility for that lies with we, the people, to correct it.

Simply arguing that it shouldn't exist in the first place is ridiculous, and a non-starter.

Because it just comes back to basic logic:

We simply must have responsible environmental regulation.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
Regulation is the friend of the people. We have no power in the face of giant corporations and the wealthy. The government protects us by forcing them to pollute less and work fairly. Every regulation removed or cut back is at the cost of the people and the benefit of corporations.
Yes, when Trump allowed coal companies to dump waste into rivers and lakes, it made more profits for coal companies. The cost is bourne by the people and it did not create jobs. Removing regulation increases profits using the same amount of work.
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That depends on the regulation. Generally, the ones Trump is removing are in place for just the reasons you state, and well needed.

But there are regulations which have not been written with the people or environment totally in mind. Some regulations are bad regulations. They have been manipulated by the regulated industries to cement the market share of the biggest players by making it nearly impossible for small start-ups to compete. And some of these regulations add unneeded cost to products. We want and need good regulations. We need to get rid of bad ones.
 
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