'Blame Russia Narrative'

midcan5

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"We get to vote? Big deal. People get to vote in Rwanda, Russia, the Congo and countless other autocratic states as well." The OP below covers our last election and the reality that is our politics today, read it but be aware you may learn something that challenges your assumptions.

"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.” There was a hauntingly strong parallel between Wall Street Hillary’s “deplorables” blooper and the super-rich Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s infamous 2012 gaffe: telling his own affluent backers saying that 47% of the population were a bunch of lazy welfare cheats. This time, though, it was the Democrat – with a campaign finance profile closer to Romney’s than Obama’s in 2012 – and not the Republican making the ugly plutocratic and establishment faux pas."

"In the end, FJC note, the billionaire Trump’s ironic, fake-populist “outreach to blue collar workers” would help him win “more than half of all voters with a high school education or less (including 61% of white women with no college), almost two thirds of those who believed life for the next generation of Americans would be worse than now, and seventy-seven percent of voters who reported their personal financial situation had worsened since four years ago.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/0...e-white-house-reflections-on-a-recent-report/

"FJC find that Russian Internet interventions were of tiny significance compared to those of homegrown U.S. corporate and right-wing cyber forces: 'The real masters of these black arts are American or Anglo-American firms. These compete directly with Silicon Valley and leading advertising firms for programmers and personnel. They rely almost entirely on data purchased from Google, Facebook, or other suppliers, not Russia. American regulators do next to nothing to protect the privacy of voters and citizens, and, as we have shown in several studies, leading telecom firms are major political actors and giant political contributors. As a result, data on the habits and preferences of individual internet users are commercially available in astounding detail and quantities for relatively modest prices – even details of individual credit card purchases. The American giants for sure harbor abundant data on the constellation of bots, I.P. addresses, and messages that streamed to the electorate…"

“…stories hyping ‘the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another by the Russians miss the mark.’ By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own. Large numbers of conservative websites, including many that that tolerated or actively encouraged white supremacy and contempt for immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, or the aspirations of women had been hard at work for years stoking up ‘tensions between groups already wary of one another.’ Breitbart and other organizations were in fact going global, opening offices abroad and establishing contacts with like-minded groups elsewhere. Whatever the Russians were up to, they could hardly hope to add much value to the vast Made in America bombardment already underway. Nobody sows chaos like Breitbart or the Drudge Report….”

Quotes above from link above.

'Noam Chomsky on the Populist Groundswell, U.S. Elections, the Future of Humanity, and More'

https://www.ineteconomics.org/persp...u-s-elections-the-future-of-humanity-and-more
 
I'm not going to ever buy that at some point in late 2016, the American left suddenly became anti-Russia.

Not suddenly. Russia was our mortal enemy from after WW2 , through the Cuban crisis, til when Trump became president. Now they are despotic, like Trump is. We had movies about Russian spies and TV shows. When I was in grade school we his under our desks or went to the school basement with nuclear bomb drills. We were always wary with Russia.Until Trump.
 
Not suddenly. Russia was our mortal enemy from after WW2 , through the Cuban crisis, til when Trump became president. Now they are despotic, like Trump is. We had movies about Russian spies and TV shows. When I was in grade school we his under our desks or went to the school basement with nuclear bomb drills. We were always wary with Russia.Until Trump.

Bro there is no way you, an anti-capitalist, weren't a fan of the Soviet Union.
 
Since the end of the Soviet Union, Russia has become the world's foremost example of crony capitalism - a gangster state, with traditional Russian paranoia and xenophobia. In terms of GDP Russia is on a par with Canada and Australia but it spends a LOT more on the military.

Apparently Trump and his followers are fine with all this.
 
The image of Russia must be tattooed into the brain of some Americans. Russia is no longer communist, actually it never was but that history is too complex for most. I thought the article would be over the head of many and too honest for others. Conservative and libertarian snowflakes live in a world of imagination. A bit of reality in books below.

Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill
 
There is no way you could possibly make a dumber post. You are always wrong, but this time completely wrong and stupid.

Always wrong huh? I bet dollars to donuts you were. No jack Welch's of the world trying to hurt the working man. All needs were met in the Soviet Union. Free housing, health care and education. Maybe not a high level of living but it's worth the trade off for the government security.

Of course you are embarrassed today but not at the time you weren't
 
The image of Russia must be tattooed into the brain of some Americans. Russia is no longer communist, actually it never was but that history is too complex for most. I thought the article would be over the head of many and too honest for others. Conservative and libertarian snowflakes live in a world of imagination. A bit of reality in books below.

Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill

You missed the nuclear race? How about the proxy wars ? What about the Cuban missile crisis? These were not slogans but dangerous actions and extremely threatening events. We are in a proxy war with them in Syria right now. This is actual perilous actions, not people blindly accepting sloganism.
 
I'm not going to ever buy that at some point in late 2016, the American left suddenly became anti-Russia.

dear fucking idiot,



why does Putin hate Hilary



because her and Obama stood against him when he aggressed on his neighbors


fuck you very much
 
Not suddenly. Russia was our mortal enemy from after WW2 , through the Cuban crisis, til when Trump became president. Now they are despotic, like Trump is. We had movies about Russian spies and TV shows. When I was in grade school we his under our desks or went to the school basement with nuclear bomb drills. We were always wary with Russia.Until Trump.

Give us some specific examples of Trump's "despotism". I don't think you have a clue what the word means.
 
"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.”

It is critical that the losing party identifies as many mistakes that were made as they possibly can, if they want to win the next time around. The above quote is something remarkable, and will give lefties far more power than denying it. Lefties need a stronger plan in order to win next time, and the above quote suggests that perhaps the left really IS taking the time to learn from their mistakes.
 
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