CharacterAssassin
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Chances are you're speaking out of your ass, since not all socialists approved of the USSR.
Own it.
'Blame Russia Narrative'
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Chances are you're speaking out of your ass, since not all socialists approved of the USSR.
Own it.
cawacko
Well-known member
Not all? Generally implies a majority though. Nordberg can speak for himself
If your posts here represent the average cross section of the lefty base, lefties do not stand a chance in 2020. Sometimes when I come to this forum after a few days away, I stumble across one of your posts and have to ask myself what I am even doing here.
CharacterAssassin
Verified User
Then why were you speaking for him, Einstein?
And, no, 'not all' doesn't imply anything other than 'not all'.
evince
Truthmatters
that idiot insult doesnt change the facts I stated does it
Obamas whole term he was giving shit to Russia for being assholes
so what is with this lie about "Sudden" distain for Putin on the left?
Its your republican party that all of the sudden was licking Putins ass
Especially the right, before the Clintons arrived Russia was their main scapegoat, I can even recall conservatives screaming against drinking water fluoridation as Gov't interference claiming it was a Russian plot
cawacko
Well-known member
You're taking this rather personally.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Tell Vladimir I can be more flexible after the election.
evince
Truthmatters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration#Russia
Tensions remained as Russia pushed back against attempts at further eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union into areas that had previously been part of the Russian Empire and the USSR. Georgia and Ukraine were the major flash points. Early on, Obama called for a "reset" of relations with Russia, and in 2009 the policy became known as the Russian reset; but critics debated whether or not it could improve bilateral relations or was about to concede too much to Russia.[87]
At the end of March 2014, president Obama dismissed Russia as a "regional power" that did not pose a major security threat to the U.S.[88] The statement was later sharply criticised by Putin as ″disrespectful″ and an attempt to prove America's exceptionalism[89][90] as well as by the president of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker who in November 2016 said, ″We have a lot to learn about the depths of Russia, we are very ignorant about it at the moment. ... Russia is not, as President Obama said, ′a regional power′. This was a big error in assessment.″[91]
After Russia′s military intervention in Syria in 2015 and the alleged interference[92] in the 2016 election campaign in the U.S., relations between the Russian government and Obama administration became more strained. In September 2016, the U.S. government publicly accused Russia of ″flagrant violations of international law″ in Syria.[93] Thomas Friedman opined, ″Obama believed that a combination of pressure and engagement would moderate Putin's behavior. That is the right approach, in theory, but it's now clear that we have underestimated the pressure needed to produce effective engagement, and we're going to have to step it up. This is not just about the politics of Syria and Ukraine anymore. It's now also about America, Europe, basic civilized norms and the integrity of our democratic institutions.″[94]
In mid-November 2016, the Kremlin accused president Obama's administration of trying to damage the U.S.′ relationship with Russia to a degree that would render normalisation thereof impossible for the incoming administration of Donald Trump.[95]
Tensions remained as Russia pushed back against attempts at further eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union into areas that had previously been part of the Russian Empire and the USSR. Georgia and Ukraine were the major flash points. Early on, Obama called for a "reset" of relations with Russia, and in 2009 the policy became known as the Russian reset; but critics debated whether or not it could improve bilateral relations or was about to concede too much to Russia.[87]
At the end of March 2014, president Obama dismissed Russia as a "regional power" that did not pose a major security threat to the U.S.[88] The statement was later sharply criticised by Putin as ″disrespectful″ and an attempt to prove America's exceptionalism[89][90] as well as by the president of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker who in November 2016 said, ″We have a lot to learn about the depths of Russia, we are very ignorant about it at the moment. ... Russia is not, as President Obama said, ′a regional power′. This was a big error in assessment.″[91]
After Russia′s military intervention in Syria in 2015 and the alleged interference[92] in the 2016 election campaign in the U.S., relations between the Russian government and Obama administration became more strained. In September 2016, the U.S. government publicly accused Russia of ″flagrant violations of international law″ in Syria.[93] Thomas Friedman opined, ″Obama believed that a combination of pressure and engagement would moderate Putin's behavior. That is the right approach, in theory, but it's now clear that we have underestimated the pressure needed to produce effective engagement, and we're going to have to step it up. This is not just about the politics of Syria and Ukraine anymore. It's now also about America, Europe, basic civilized norms and the integrity of our democratic institutions.″[94]
In mid-November 2016, the Kremlin accused president Obama's administration of trying to damage the U.S.′ relationship with Russia to a degree that would render normalisation thereof impossible for the incoming administration of Donald Trump.[95]
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Really? Which ones didn't approve?
CharacterAssassin
Verified User
Nah, I just feel obligated to call something 'stupid' when I see something stupid.
evince
Truthmatters
and he tried
then Putin kept being Putin so they came down him.
so this idea of a sudden 2016 change is bullshit huh
it was the republican party kissing Putin ass in 2016
cawacko
Well-known member
You ought to be speaking out against socialism then. Plenty of that rhetoric on this board
evince
Truthmatters
tell is why the republican party changed their party platform in 2016 to please Putin?
CharacterAssassin
Verified User
Why would I do that? I don't care about socialism, and you clearly haven' the first clue as to what it is.
cawacko
Well-known member
It's a failed economic system yet there are pockets of people who enjoy the fruits of capitalism yet find it "enlightening" to espouse socialism.
And I'm pretty familiar with what is and what it does to people
CharacterAssassin
Verified User
I see absolutely no evidence that you are. Carry on, if that's what you have to believe.
cawacko
Well-known member
Because in your world it just hasn't been tried correctly?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
It was sudden. As promised, Obama and Kerry did shit during the second term.