Brain Drain

leaningright said:
I noticed the article touched on Sioux Falls with the attention grabber saying that Sioux Falls sees population growth while a lot of the state’s “educated” are leaving. Let me interject a link to an article that goes into more depth in explaining “why” rural areas, by and large, are losing college educated populace to other areas.

Here is the link: https://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-4/2003-4-03.htm

It’s a pretty good article that doesn’t deny a college educated exodus from some areas, especially rural areas while providing some explanation besides “smart people are leaving stupid red states.” While there might be a dab of truth to that sentiment, it is not the whole truth.

Take my son, for instance. He will graduate from OU in May and has been applying for jobs. Jobs that require degrees and certificates like he will have do not exist in rural areas. He will have to work in an urban setting and he knows it. He has interviewed in 12 different states, most of them red or purple politically. I have always assumed that he would prefer to live in an urban area because he is “citified.” But to my pleasant surprise he said while we were vacationing a couple of weeks ago that if he could find a job and be able to stay [near where we live] he’d love it. Made me a happy dad, but sad at the same time.

That reminds me of the reality of people who grow up here and those who go to college. Several can’t wait to “get outta here” when they graduate high school and then so many of them spend the rest of their lives trying to get back. In our community we have so many people who have degrees. In our congregation at church, a microcosm of our community, 40% of the people have at least a bachelor’s degree, not to count the associate degrees in attendance. BUT, most of them are retired.

Our population here is increasing every month. People coming from Colorado, California, Texas mostly. I really wish they’d stay home. The reason I live here isn’t having so many people around me. But I digress… I don’t know how many have a college education but probably not that many. Population is shifting. I just think there’s more to the shift than moving to a state of a different color.
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Good post. I’m curious how the data works in this sense. I’ve met numerous people over the years who, when I say I’m from S.F., said they lived for a period of time in their life (even if just briefly).

From a data perspective are they a brain drain from the state they moved to S.F. from? Are they a brain drain to California when they leave?

But thinking of your son, not everyone lives their entire life in one state. And many have lived elsewhere but returned to where they grew up to settle down. Many different paths people take.
 
martin said:
Sorry. It was a dumb answer to a dumb question. I'm not aware NY is having a "brain drain" but if it is the answer would be in current not entrenched or long standing conditions.
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It was one of the states listed for having a brain drain in the OP.

This is from The NY Times last year about big city brain drains.

www.nytimes.com

America’s Big City Brain Drain (Published 2023)

Why the college-educated are leaving coastal hubs in large numbers.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Phantasmal said:
It’s happening now and predicted to get worse.

Here are several articles related to the issue.

newrepublic.com

The Red State Brain Drain Isn’t Coming. It’s Happening Right Now.

As conservative states wage total culture war, college-educated workers—physicians, teachers, professors, and more—are packing their bags.
newrepublic.com newrepublic.com

According to research collected by hireahelper.com, in 2023 South Dakota, "...saw 72% more people with a college degree leave the state versus move in." It's known as a 'Brain Drain' and South Dakota leads the way. More college-educated people are leaving the state than in Mississippi, Alabama, or New York.Oct 30, 2024
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Sioux Falls Sees Population Growth, But South Dakota Faces Brain Drain​

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Bye!
 
martin said:
Sorry. It was a dumb answer to a dumb question. I'm not aware NY is having a "brain drain" but if it is the answer would be in current not entrenched or long standing conditions.
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Honest to goodness your dumber than a monkey fucking a frog. NY has lost a significant portion of their population but you think only the "geniuses" states in NY?

www.empirecenter.org

Slowdown in outflow, but no robust rebound in latest NY population estimates - Empire Center for Public Policy

The pace of population change in most New York counties slowed during the 12 months ending July 1, 2023, the third annual period measured by U.S. Census estimates since the disruption of the 2020 pandemic.
www.empirecenter.org www.empirecenter.org
 
martin said:
The brain drain is accelerating not beginning. Red states have long lagged behind blue states in SAT scores, economic production, health and longevity.

To put it another way, Red states may not have all that much to drain,
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The TNR article from last year in the OP is from a liberal perspective complaining about the abortion (and education) laws in states like Texas and Florida (along with a few other Southern red states) and how liberals want to leave those states as a result. (I don't doubt that in the least.)

But wanting and doing can be two different things. And as the liberal leaning Inside Higher Ed article I posed stated, the exodus of liberal teachers and other was just media hype, not reality.

And this is from Newsweek about the brain drain in blue state cities and (the leaving of blue states).

It ultimately comes down to this, what is the biggest driver for people. Is it cultural issues like abortion? Or economic issues that ultimately drive where people choose to live.

www.newsweek.com

California cities see exodus of college-educated Americans

New research shows that graduates are exiting the Golden State en masse.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
 
moon said:
This guy wants to lecture you on education ^

Haw, haw.....................................................haw.
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You can't laugh your way out of your illiteracy, moonbat.
moon said:
These are recent ' Into the Nightsoil's' statements ;

"Sweden is not to the east of the UK "
" There is no such science as paleoclimatology "
" There is no such thing as an unwritten Constitution "
" There were WMD in Iraq "
"There is no "weaponization of the dollar"
"Covid does not kill ."
"It is not possible to have a variant of a variant. "(Subvariants do not exist )
"Israel doesn't want to eradicate Palestine "
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Thanks for the bump again.
 
cawacko said:
Why do you think New York is having the brain drain it is?
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High taxes. High crime. Oppressive government.

Why live in an oligarchy?

The same thing is happening to the SDTC (Socialist Dictatorship of the Territory of California). Why live in a dictatorship?
 
So the alt right response is that the brain drain is real, but it is not their faults?

Florida is forced to hire post docs who do not even have PHD's. It is that bad.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s Legion! He’s been that way for a decade! It’s fun to try to find him, he’s like Waldo.
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What got me is he spammed the site with Kamala posts ad nauseum and now he's jumping to Trump. WTF?
I did not know that you had someone like that who does this type of thing and that accusations about Legion were actual.
 
Walt said:
So the alt right response is that the brain drain is real, but it is not their faults?

Florida is forced to hire post docs who do not even have PHD's. It is that bad.
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Florida needs to push more of the "I don't need a doctor, I have Facebook" ideology along with being anti-vaccine. Eventually the problem will solve itself. :thup:

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