" But we need them to pick our fruit and vegetables!"

Tbird19482 said:
And you will start crying about the cost and inflation like you did under Biden.
As I said if they can't get pickers their crops will rot in the fields, and they are already afraid of what their losses could be.
And YES I am for a fair day work for a fair days pay.
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Why do the people that do it have to be illegal?
 
ExpressLane said:
And we will save money on providing police and firemen and on educating their kids and keeping their criminals in prison. When illegals get legal status they will be taking electrician jobs.
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For the sake of discussion, I respectfully throw this out. As this past election showed people do not like inflation, i.e. higher prices. And that is exactly what will happen by increasing labor cost for people picking fruit, cleaning hotels, cleaning peoples homes, etc.

We’re also not in a period of high unemployment. And you look at demographic issues we don’t have it as bad as some other countries but nonetheless with the boomers setting to retire, we need more workers in America.

So having less people in the country under the guise we would need less policeman and less teachers and so forth is not going to compensate. we would have large price increases and our entitlement programs would become even more costly.
 
cawacko said:
For the sake of discussion, I respectfully throw this out. As this past election showed people do not like inflation, i.e. higher prices. And that is exactly what will happen by increasing labor cost for people picking fruit, cleaning hotels, cleaning peoples homes, etc.

We’re also not in a period of high unemployment. And you look at demographic issues we don’t have it as bad as some other countries but nonetheless with the boomers setting to retire, we need more workers in America.

So having less people in the country under the guise we would need less policeman and less teachers and so forth is not going to compensate. we would have large price increases and our entitlement programs would become even more costly.
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And not only will the cost of fruits and veges go up wait till Trump puts on his tariffs.
The MAGA cried when inflation was high under Biden wait till costs of almost everything we buy goes up that 20/30/40% or more , let the crying begin.
 
ExpressLane said:
Yep illegal migrant workers depress the wages of laborers. When I was young a carpenter could make a living and raise a family on what he earned. No illegal labor has depressed wages and made that impossible.
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Immigrants work in construction, hospitality, hospitals, and on farms, among other jobs. Those who hire them usually know they are illegals. That is who we should be charging if you want it to end. You should not want it to end. They are a boon to the economy. They start businesses at a greater rate than the American population does. They commit crimes at a lower rate than the American population does.
I knew a guy who owned a construction company. He said he hired them so he could lower his bids and get more jobs.
They pay taxes for programs they do not qualify for.
America needs them to grow the economy.
 
Stone said:
The left= defender of Human rights, fair wages, and ALL that is good. :rolleyes: Except of course when it comes to illegal aliens,....then its all about having them here to work for slave wages so they can buy cheap green beans! Do they ever even listen to themselves talk or look in the mirror? Or are they just so accustomed to lying about whatever serves their purpose at the time that they cant even see that they are the very definition of ironic?
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Strawman alert
 
ExpressLane said:
Yep illegal migrant workers depress the wages of laborers. When I was young a carpenter could make a living and raise a family on what he earned. No illegal labor has depressed wages and made that impossible.
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Where has illegal labor depressed carpenter wages to the point of not being able to make a living?
This idea that carpenters can't earn a living is ridiculous. The majority make over $25 an hour.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Where has illegal labor depressed carpenter wages to the point of not being able to make a living?
This idea that carpenters can't earn a living is ridiculous. The majority make over $25 an hour.
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This is separate from the illegals driving down wages argument but what's your thought/take from some who say H1B visas bring down American workers wages? (fwiw, this isn't a gotcha question).
 
Stone said:
The left= defender of Human rights, fair wages, and ALL that is good. :rolleyes: Except of course when it comes to illegal aliens,....then it’s all about having them here to work for slave wages so they can buy cheap green beans! Do they ever even listen to themselves talk or look in the mirror? Or are they just so accustomed to lying about whatever serves their purpose at the time that they cant even see that they are the very definition of ironic?
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No one said we need them to work for slave labor wages, rather, that they do perform a lot of low paying labor intense jobs that few others are willing to take. Gets your facts straight “tsunami”
 
ExpressLane said:
Yep illegal migrant workers depress the wages of laborers. When I was young a carpenter could make a living and raise a family on what he earned. No illegal labor has depressed wages and made that impossible.
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Too bad your side worked hard to undermine Unions, and now your bitching about underpaid skilled positions
 
Kurmugeon said:
And the family run farm, orchard or ranch is gone now too, replaced by humongous Corp farms, were everything is not targeted at providing food, working class jobs, and community, but rather it is focused on 0.8% greater profits, so that the CEO and Board can get another Million each in Annual bonuses.

So, they use even more pesticide, pick the fruit silly green, don't allow the pickers to break to pee, so they piss in the fields and spread weird South American diseases.

In the minds of the Farm-Corp-CEO, the Illegal Pickers are just sub-human Machines.

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Hey, Robert Kennedy is going to take care of that
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
They don't have to be illegal, but there are not enough US citizens and legal immigrants available to fill all those jobs. This has been explained to you repeatedly and you are just too stupid to understand simple math or simple economics.
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Of course there are. There are reportedly 11 million illegals in the country. Stop pretending there is some kind of economic necessity to this bullshit. You idiots think everyone is as stupid as you
 
Stone said:
The left= defender of Human rights, fair wages, and ALL that is good. :rolleyes: Except of course when it comes to illegal aliens,....then its all about having them here to work for slave wages so they can buy cheap green beans! Do they ever even listen to themselves talk or look in the mirror? Or are they just so accustomed to lying about whatever serves their purpose at the time that they cant even see that they are the very definition of ironic?
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This is another of their laughably stupid lies. We don't need ILLEGALS to pick our grapes and crops. There is a LEGAL program called the H-2A visa program which is a legal channel for agricultural employers to hire legal temporary foreign workers. This whole narrative about needing them to build housing and pick fruits is absolutely false and gaslighting dullards too stupid to look things up for themselves.

https://www.farmers.gov/working-with-us/h2a-visa-program

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