Bye Bye Lake Mead

[LV426]

This ] is a dishonest, lying leftist mental case who has completely lost the argument.

You lost the argument when you posted that Lake Mead's water levels have only declined since 1983 when prior to that, the lake would get filled thanks to snowfall and rainfall.

So you helped me prove that the reason the lake isn't full is because there's been a drought for 22 years!

LOL

 

[Nomad]

Desalination can be expensive unless it's coupled with wind turbine electricity, the UAE is already showing the way.

This preliminary analysis shows that wind-driven variable reverse osmosis may be an economic alternative to the current mode of water production in the UAE via thermal desalination," the report concluded.

That might help reduce operating costs, but the plants and turbines don't build themselves.

And of course, when there's no wind, the plants don't operate.

Then there are the issues of coastal land purchases, soaring construction material & labor costs, etc, etc.

These treatment plants can be built on publicly owned land adjacent to existing sewage plants and reservoirs or created by upgrading existing treatment plants.

Desalination isn't a viable large scale solution.

 

[Truth Detector]

Before 1963 and the opening of Lake Powell, all that water went straight into Lake Mead.

Another excellent point, LyingVagina426 must have missed that in their vast research on the topic.

The Lake Powell proposal decision is in: Lake Mead will receive less water

LAS VEGAS (KTNV) — The decision is in. Lake Mead will receive less water from Lake Powell in an attempt to buffer the depleting water supply in Arizona.

Starting almost immediately, Lake Mead will be getting even less water in an already historically long drought from Lake Powell.

The warning came from the Department of Interior on April 8, saying the levels at Lake Powell were critical and if they got any lower, there was a possibility Arizona would lose the ability to produce power.

In a first-of-its-kind buffer, seven states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, and New Mexico collectively, came to the agreement that in order to help the strained Colorado River supply, Lake Powell would release less water into Lake Mead.

Roughly 7 million acre-feet of water will still go into Lake Mead, with 480,000 acre-feet leftover going for a reserve to Lake Powell to help with their crisis.

 

[LV426]

You should kill yourself. No one would care. No one would notice. The world's collective IQ would go up. [/size]

I bet you're going to kill yourself now that you helped prove my argument about Lake Mead here on JPP by helpfully posting the water levels that show they have only declined since 1983 thanks to a drought caused by Climate Change.

 

[Truth Detector]

You lost the argument when you posted that Lake Mead's water levels have only declined since 1983 when prior to that, the lake would get filled thanks to snowfall and rainfall.

So you helped me prove that the reason the lake isn't full is because there's been a drought for 22 years!

LOL

Still flailing and trolling I see. It must get tiring having your bullshit smacked back into that mentally challenged face all the time.

 

[LV426]

Another excellent point, LyingVagina426 must have missed that in their vast research on the topic.

Hey dumbass, you posted that the water level of Lake Mead in 1983 was the highest ever.

 

[LV426]

Still flailing and trolling I see. It must get tiring having your bullshit smacked back into that mentally challenged face all the time.

I think this is just projection from you because you realized you helped me prove my argument.

 

[Truth Detector]

I bet you're going to kill yourself now that you helped prove my argument about Lake Mead here on JPP by helpfully posting the water levels that show they have only declined since 1983 thanks to a drought caused by Climate Change.

I'm betting that you will continue exhibiting what a triggered know-nothing you are and troll the thread even harder.

 

[Truth Detector]

Hey dumbass, you posted that the water level of Lake Mead in 1983 was the highest ever.

You're way behind shrill triggered mental case. Try to keep up. The facts have been posted above as to the causes.

 

[Truth Detector]

I think this is just projection from you because you realized you helped me prove my argument.

I am amused that you think you have one after having your bullshit crushed by all the facts already posted. You need to go back and read, and learn. Now take your meds and back into that padded you go!

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

The current drought in the SW is 100% entirely due to Climate Change, and Climate Change is 100% the fault of oil companies who knew about this since the 1970's.

Well, it may be time to start drilling for water- rather than oil!

At some point, a barrel of water will be more expensive than a barrel of oil!

Automobiles also rely as much on water as they do gasoline. There is no gasoline automobile going nowhere very far without water. Now some would say, "NO! Automobiles use anti-freeze." But even Anti-freeze or basically-Ethylene glycol- is produced through the hydrolysis of ethylene oxide. Ethylene (ethene) is a colorless gas produced by the petrochemical industry. Ethylene oxide is mixed with an abundance of water in a series of process steps to produce ethylene glycol.

And the news just keeps getting worse as, Antifreeze can pollute groundwater, surface water and drinking water supplies if dumped, spilled or leaked, and is harmful to marine and aquatic life. While in an engine, antifreeze can become contaminated with lead or fuel to the point where it must be managed as a hazardous waste.

Battery operated vehicles do not use water- or antifreeze. Going green is as good for the water we drink as it is the air we breath!

 

[Into the Night]

And guarantee if one took a poll in Arizona and Nevada, and might as well throw in Texas with their heat wave, a good number of the natives would say climate change is bogus

Climate has no value associated with it. It cannot change. There is no value that can change. Again, you show you have no idea what 'climate' even means. You are just chanting scripture from the Church of Global Warming.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. See the 1st law of thermodynamics.

 

[Into the Night]

Very few people have yet managed to understand the catastrophic consequences of our failure to make much of an effort to manage water in the West over the last 40 years or so, we have been on autopilot, and now we are about to crash.

This is far more correct. Lake Mead is draining because the SDTC is running it through the dam for power generation and siphoning a good portion of it away for use in Los Angeles. The upper tributaries of the river are in flood stage right now, and river flow below the dam is normal.

 

[Into the Night]

Which has caught up on them at an accelerated rate due to climate change

Climate cannot change. There is no value that is associated with climate that can change. Again, you are trying to use 'climate change' as a substitute for 'global warming' (itself an undefined buzzword).

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

 

[Into the Night]

I am not sure about that, though we could easily go back at least 50 years to look at temps and precipitation in the West to verify that, which I have not seen done. I do know that rains and snow in California have always been iffy since it was settled by non-indians, that was the entire point of the massive water projects which stopped in the 1970's, even as we have allowed the population to expand massively. This was always going to get to disaster eventually, and now we are there. For instance because we dont capture enough water and because we send so much water to the ocean to keep the fish in the rivers and streams happy a lot of water pumping has been taking place. I recently heard VDH say that the aquifers are near collapse. This never should have happened, the emergency water supply being destroyed.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. There is no data to go back to.
Lake Mead water levels ARE tracked. So is river flow rate along almost the entire length of the Colorado river and it's tributaries.

Currently, the upper Colorado was recently in flood stage. The Lake Powell dam is now restricting water flow through that dam because too much was sent downstream. The SDTC continues to demand power and water from the Hoover dam, and still is causing that dam to use more water than is available. Lake Mead is dropping fast. It's basically a puddle now. It won't be long before the SDTC, Phoenix, and other areas of the SW will LOSE THAT POWER SOURCE for months! The SDTC has no alternative methods of generating power available. At least Phoenix and the Las Vegas area have coal plants.

 

[Into the Night]

30% of the California Aqueduct water is lost to leaks and evaporation, which we have known for a very long time, which we could have ended, but we could never be bothered.

The SDTC does not collect their own water anymore. They are depending on flow THROUGH Hoover dam to get water to greater L.A.

 

[Into the Night]

WHo would have thought an unnatural human-created thing wouldn't be sustainable in the real world.

It IS sustainable, if you realize the limits of total flow in the Colorado river under normal conditions.

 

[Into the Night]

I wonder what causes lakes to dry up. There used to be several lakes in a place called Keystone Heights. I heard all the lakes have dried up now, hard to believe. Used to go there as a child to a relative's lake house.

Depends on the lake, but the reasons tend to center around straightforward causes.

Lake Mead is not drying up. It is being drained away by the demands of the SDTC and the Greater Los Angeles area.

The Keystone Heights lakes are not drying up (you are talking about humid Florida!). They have no inflow and are simply seeping away into the soil. Buildup in the area cut off inflow to them.

The Salton Sea (in southern SDTC), are drying up. This lake was formed by the Colorado river before it was tamed by the dam systems, the kingpin of which is Hoover dam, near Las Vegas. Before the Colorado was tamed, it caused great destruction as it changed course from year to year. The Salton Sea was one of those flows. It now no longer has any inflow and it is drying up.

The Great Salt Lake used to be much bigger (at one time called Lake Bonneville), and once covered much of the West in a shallow 'sea'. This water was held back by a glacier acting as a dam. As glaciers retreated, that dam failed, and all that water drained out through what is now eastern Washington and Oregon, creating the odd terrain you see there, and the Gorge the Columbia river now flows through. Since then, Salt Lake has been getting smaller, until it is the size now, and basically remains that same size, still receiving inflow from the Wasatch mountain range nearby. The lake is salt water because so much has evaporated away.

The Western desert is filled with examples of lakes of a temporary nature that evaporate away within the year. These leave behind very flat areas popular with sand sailors and speedways, many of them salt flats. One of the largest of these is just west of Salt Lake. Those flats are from lakes that dried up from the remnants of Lake Bonneville.

One must look at how the lake was created, and what changes took place.

NONE of it is 'climate change' (a meaningless buzzword term used by the Church of Global Warming).

 

[Dutch Uncle]

^Shrill, triggered mental case lacks reading comprehension.

You know when shrill, uneducated, triggered leftist liars have lost an argument when they troll their own threads.

The sky is always falling in leftist loser land.

^^^ all in the span of 7 minutes. This drive-by hatred you do is one of your patterns. Is it because your facility only allows you so many minutes per day to vent your hatred of everyone? Is it because you can only afford to spend so many minutes of the day on a single forum before running off to spread hatred and stupidity on other forums?

IDK. I'm curious though. Very curious. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Depends on the lake, but the reasons tend to center around straightforward causes.

Lake Mead is not drying up. It is being drained away by the demands of the SDTC and the Greater Los Angeles area.
The Keystone Heights lakes are not drying up (you are talking about humid Florida!). They have no inflow and are simply seeping away into the soil. Buildup in the area cut off inflow to them.

Agreed. One of the saner and more agreeable posts you've made, Sybil. Kudos, sir.