Cali bill to legalize and tax cannabis

Damocles said:
It could if it wasn't ruled that the Commerce clause applies and federal laws take precedence. They simply will not be allowed to package and sell an illegal substance, it won't matter what state laws they pass.
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But the states don't have to help them out. That's a pretty big deal, Damo. You're acting as if all enforcement is by the feds, while a great part of it is by the state.
 
Watermark said:
But the states don't have to help them out. That's a pretty big deal, Damo. You're acting as if all enforcement is by the feds, while a great part of it is by the state.
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I think the feds would make a point of it, and they'd lose in court based on the ruling I spoke of before.

While the state could turn the other cheek so to speak they wouldn't be allowed to package and sell a Federally regulated illegal substance.
 
Watermark said:
The states can't do anything about the federal regulation, but they're under no responsibility to help them out by keeping it illegal under their statutes. Of course the federal courts could do nothing about this law.
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dumbass idiot say what??

the federal courts have no jurisdiction over the intrastate commerce and taxation of a substance currently under the jurisdiction of the federal government??????

would you care to try that one again?
 
The point is to force the courts to rule on the state laws, which will create a media blitz and much attention to the issue. Besides, its high time the 10th Amendment got some attention.
 
Threedee said:
The point is to force the courts to rule on the state laws, which will create a media blitz and much attention to the issue. Besides, its high time the 10th Amendment got some attention.
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knowing how our courts are, since the USSC decided Raich such a short time ago, unless some enterprising lawyer can come up with some sort of new and eye-opening argument, the courts will not visit the issue again for some time.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
knowing how our courts are, since the USSC decided Raich such a short time ago, unless some enterprising lawyer can come up with some sort of new and eye-opening argument, the courts will not visit the issue again for some time.
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If the courts ignore the issue, then it means Cali can't be prosecuted for violating federal law.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
stupid assed worthless gesture which will go nowhere. cannabis is, and will remain, illegal and untaxable until it is removed from the CSA. California will be stopped by federal courts the moment that they try to implement this.
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if so, then why have the feds not already declared it illegal...oh, wait, they have, but the state still has medical mj clinics

without state cooperation the dea has to pour more and more resources into combating mj growing and distribution...what ever happened to the 10th amendment

taxing it is still cheaper than throwing people in jail and will likely have the side effect of saving our forests from mj growers that ruin whole stretches of state and federal forests and at a tax of $50 per oz. it would be cheaper and dealers would lose their incentives

as it is, selling mj for profit is becoming not very profitable

:321:the dea
 
Threedee said:
If the courts ignore the issue, then it means Cali can't be prosecuted for violating federal law.
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No. It just means you may feel fine in your open weed habits, and then one day a federal agent may send you to prison. It's really the state creating an unreal and dangerous sense of legality.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. It just means you may feel fine in your open weed habits, and then one day a federal agent may send you to prison. It's really the state creating an unreal and dangerous sense of legality.
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it would be nice and cheaper than the norco i take now, but i would not trust it as i have too much to lose...house on 5 acres valued around $1.2 million

would not smoke it, but would make buddah butter:)
 
It's coming people. Obama has bitch slapped the Nazi's a good bit already. He'll prob do it after national healthcare passes.
 
what a Nazi loving tool you are. The courts haven't stopped mj from being Cali's top cash crop by many times over. Now the educated people in charge will tax and your boys can put up their guns and leather boots.
 
Topspin said:
what a Nazi loving tool you are. The courts haven't stopped mj from being Cali's top cash crop by many times over. Now the educated people in charge will tax and your boys can put up their guns and leather boots.
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What you're overlooking is the tiny matter of federal law.
 
Topspin said:
what a Nazi loving tool you are. The courts haven't stopped mj from being Cali's top cash crop by many times over. Now the educated people in charge will tax and your boys can put up their guns and leather boots.
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hey topshit. Have you any brain cells in that melon of yours you call a skull? Have you seen where I plainly stated that I don't believe the feds have any constitutional authority to regulate Marijuana?

Now, why don't you pull your dumb fucking head out of your fat ass and pay attention to the reality of the situation instead of playing the average ignorant liberal and ignoring federal overreaching because you think your messiah is going to make it all go away.

I'm flat out telling you how it's going to go and i'm right because i'm a god damned genius compared to your sub level intelligence. you just might learn something from me if you pay attention.
 
This is how you force the feds to reconsider the federal laws on the issue.

Its got to be forced into the forefront.

Some are not as smart as they think they are.
 
evince said:
This is how you force the feds to reconsider the federal laws on the issue.

Its got to be forced into the forefront.

Some are not as smart as they think they are.
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true, people that think that they know everything are particularly annoying to those of us that do...:)

the lobbyists against legal mj are still rather strong

still, anything to challenge the feds is a good thing:clink:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
hey topshit. Have you any brain cells in that melon of yours you call a skull? Have you seen where I plainly stated that I don't believe the feds have any constitutional authority to regulate Marijuana?

Now, why don't you pull your dumb fucking head out of your fat ass and pay attention to the reality of the situation instead of playing the average ignorant liberal and ignoring federal overreaching because you think your messiah is going to make it all go away.

I'm flat out telling you how it's going to go and i'm right because i'm a god damned genius compared to your sub level intelligence. you just might learn something from me if you pay attention.
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your a boot strapping nazi republican is what you are.
Cali's pot crop is$14 billion annually, you NAZI's haven't stopped anything
 
It is illegal based on Federal Law, so I dont belive this will work. The Feds would still preempt.
 
And like I said this is how you force it into the feds face. Its has to deal with the issue if a state has done this and is making bank.

In this atmosphere the feds will want their slice and so will all other states.
 
Threedee said:
The point is to force the courts to rule on the state laws, which will create a media blitz and much attention to the issue. Besides, its high time the 10th Amendment got some attention.
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It would be great if the SCOTUS hadn't already set precedent on this and very recently. They'd be re-ruling on a previous ruling of the exact same court.

While I do believe that the Courts should be our best defense against the overstepping into States using the Commerce clause, it didn't work this time.
 
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