California Governor Signs Order Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars By 2035

Legion said:
Nerdberg must not understand how expensive and toxic the production of batteries and solar panels is, Cap'n.

He's probably expecting a government (taxpayer-funded) subsidy to pay for his e-car and "free" electricity.

Batteries and solar panels have a limited lifespan, too, and what then? Into the landfill, or just dumped in the desert?

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Yes. The next big (and happening) environmental disaster. Solar panels. No liberal is smart enough to look that far ahead. Good point.
 
Sailor said:
California does not have enough power in the state right now. Rolling blackouts. They have no plans to build new power plants. Environmentalists will not let them. One just cannot make this shit up. California's Governor is a fucking idiot.




September 23, 20205:44 PM ET

California will phase out the sale of all gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035 in a bid to lead the U.S. in reducing greenhouse gas emissions by encouraging the state's drivers to switch to electric cars.

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an executive order Wednesday that amounts to the most aggressive clean-car policy in the United States. Although it bans the sale of new gas cars and trucks after the 15-year deadline, it will still allow such vehicles to be owned and sold on the used-car market.

"This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change," the governor said in a statement.

"Our cars shouldn't make wildfires worse — and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn't melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines."

Newsom, a Democrat, also threw his support behind a ban on petroleum fracking but called on the California Legislature to make that change.

With extreme wildfires still burning in the state, Newsom says fighting climate change is an emergency. More here: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/916209659/california-governor-signs-order-banning-sales-of-new-gasoline-cars-by-2035
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I think we should no longer sell power to the SOTC. Let them fend for themselves.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The next step will be a royal decree that all gas and diesel cars and trucks registered in the state will get a special hefty yearly tax, in order to force them to be sold out of state.
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I think trucks should no longer deliver to anywhere in the SOTC, nor pick up anything in the SOTC, nor travel on any road in the SOTC. Let them fend for themselves.
 
Sailor said:
California does not have the power Nordberg. Hence the rolling blackouts. They are refusing to build more power plants. And ah, guess what happens when the power lines burn down in wildfires? No one is against electric vehicles Nordberg. The left needs to get it through their heads we do not have the infrastructure nor power capacity to do that. Yet.
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Run. Get out of the SOTC while you still can. Your only other option is to overthrow the oligarchy in Sacramento and to re-establish a republic. That can only happen by violence now.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
The get around this would be for some company to start doing what the truck industry is already doing... Glider "cars." That is a completely new car with a rebuilt old engine in it. If Newsome's diktat follows previous California law on this, it's the engine that matters, not the age of the vehicle.

They already do this with commercial trucks. Take a brand new truck without an engine and put an old but completely remanufactured and good as new engine in it. That makes it emissions complaint for the year of the engine, not the truck and legal. It's a work around to idiot environmental laws.
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Nice try, but it won't work when gasoline and diesel engines are banned completely.
 
Nordberg said:
You can go solar at home . Then no power plant needed. The fact is if we create a problem, someone will step in to fix it.
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Piddle power. It won't create enough power for your electric car to go across country. It won't create enough power for shipping purposes. It won't run factories or businesses by itself. It won't generate power at night, when power is in demand. Expensive too. Installing them requires manufacturing and shipping that uses oil for fuel.

Go sit in your hut and enjoy your non-air conditioned life.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I wonder if Newsome's order applies to things that are not passenger cars like SUV's and light trucks. If so, expect a lot of Californians to start buying those...
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He is against any engine that uses oil products as fuel. He thinks he is a king. It couldn't be more clear. Is this what you want to bet your future on?
 
Into the Night said:
Piddle power. It won't create enough power for your electric car to go across country. It won't create enough power for shipping purposes. It won't run factories or businesses by itself. It won't generate power at night, when power is in demand. Expensive too. Installing them requires manufacturing and shipping that uses oil for fuel.

Go sit in your hut and enjoy your non-air conditioned life.
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Will there be any factories or businesses in California by 2035?

California businesses are leaving the state in droves. In just 2018 and 2019—economic boom years—765 commercial facilities left California. This exodus doesn’t count Charles Schwab’s announcement to leave San Francisco next year. Nor does it include the 13,000 estimated businesses to have left between 2009 and 2016.

The reason? Economics, plain and simple. California is too expensive, and its taxes and regulations are too high. The Tax Foundation ranks California 48th in terms of business climate. California is also ranked 48th in terms of regulatory burdens. And California’s cost of living is 50 percent higher than the national average.


https://www.hoover.org/research/california-businesses-leave-state-thousands
 
Grokmaster said:
AND THE LEGENDARY IDIOCY OF GAVIN NEWSOME REACHES NEW HEIGHTS OF MORONIC MOVIES....
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Maybe Newsom doesn't know what happened to Gray Davis.

The 2000–01 California electricity crisis, also known as the Western U.S. energy crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the U.S. state of California had a shortage of electricity supply caused by market manipulations and capped retail electricity prices. The state suffered from multiple large-scale blackouts, one of the state's largest energy companies collapsed, and the economic fall-out greatly harmed DEMOCRAT Governor Gray Davis's standing.

Drought, delays in approval of new power plants, and market manipulation decreased supply. This caused an 800% increase in wholesale prices from April 2000 to December 2000.

In addition, rolling blackouts adversely affected many businesses dependent upon a reliable supply of electricity, and inconvenienced many retail consumers.

California had an installed generating capacity of 45 GW. At the time of the blackouts, demand was 28 GW. A demand-supply gap was created by energy companies, mainly Enron, to create an artificial shortage. Energy traders took power plants offline for maintenance in days of peak demand. Traders were thus able to sell power at premium prices, sometimes up to a factor of 20 times its normal value. Because the state government had a cap on retail electricity charges, this market manipulation squeezed the industry's revenue margins, causing the bankruptcy of Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and near bankruptcy of Southern California Edison in early 2001.

In July 2003, a sufficient number of citizen signatures were collected for a recall election. On October 7, 2003, Davis was recalled with 55.4% of the votes in favor of the recall and Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected to replace him as governor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_California_electricity_crisis
 
Sailor said:
California does not have enough power in the state right now. Rolling blackouts. They have no plans to build new power plants. Environmentalists will not let them. One just cannot make this shit up. California's Governor is a fucking idiot.

September 23, 20205:44 PM ET

California will phase out the sale of all gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035 in a bid to lead the U.S. in reducing greenhouse gas emissions by encouraging the state's drivers to switch to electric cars.

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an executive order Wednesday that amounts to the most aggressive clean-car policy in the United States. Although it bans the sale of new gas cars and trucks after the 15-year deadline, it will still allow such vehicles to be owned and sold on the used-car market.

"This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change," the governor said in a statement.

"Our cars shouldn't make wildfires worse — and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn't melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines."

Newsom, a Democrat, also threw his support behind a ban on petroleum fracking but called on the California Legislature to make that change.

With extreme wildfires still burning in the state, Newsom says fighting climate change is an emergency. More here: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/916209659/california-governor-signs-order-banning-sales-of-new-gasoline-cars-by-2035
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Doesn't surprise me. I left just in time. May that state burn in it's own Democratic hell.
 
Legion said:
Will there be any factories or businesses in California by 2035?

California businesses are leaving the state in droves. In just 2018 and 2019—economic boom years—765 commercial facilities left California. This exodus doesn’t count Charles Schwab’s announcement to leave San Francisco next year. Nor does it include the 13,000 estimated businesses to have left between 2009 and 2016.

The reason? Economics, plain and simple. California is too expensive, and its taxes and regulations are too high. The Tax Foundation ranks California 48th in terms of business climate. California is also ranked 48th in terms of regulatory burdens. And California’s cost of living is 50 percent higher than the national average.


https://www.hoover.org/research/california-businesses-leave-state-thousands
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There will be a few. Those that don't require any significant power. It's effectively back to the horse and buggy days for the SOTC, since electric cars use oil products and coal to recharge. If everyone drove an electric car, there is insufficient energy produced by the Sun and the wind to power them all.
 
Legion said:
Maybe Newsom doesn't know what happened to Gray Davis.

The 2000–01 California electricity crisis, also known as the Western U.S. energy crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the U.S. state of California had a shortage of electricity supply caused by market manipulations and capped retail electricity prices. The state suffered from multiple large-scale blackouts, one of the state's largest energy companies collapsed, and the economic fall-out greatly harmed DEMOCRAT Governor Gray Davis's standing.

Drought, delays in approval of new power plants, and market manipulation decreased supply. This caused an 800% increase in wholesale prices from April 2000 to December 2000.

In addition, rolling blackouts adversely affected many businesses dependent upon a reliable supply of electricity, and inconvenienced many retail consumers.

California had an installed generating capacity of 45 GW. At the time of the blackouts, demand was 28 GW. A demand-supply gap was created by energy companies, mainly Enron, to create an artificial shortage. Energy traders took power plants offline for maintenance in days of peak demand. Traders were thus able to sell power at premium prices, sometimes up to a factor of 20 times its normal value. Because the state government had a cap on retail electricity charges, this market manipulation squeezed the industry's revenue margins, causing the bankruptcy of Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and near bankruptcy of Southern California Edison in early 2001.

In July 2003, a sufficient number of citizen signatures were collected for a recall election. On October 7, 2003, Davis was recalled with 55.4% of the votes in favor of the recall and Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected to replace him as governor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_California_electricity_crisis
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This kind of thing would be a good start, but the problem in Sacramento is entrenched among many. You will have to remove them all, and re-establish a republic, and a State constitution.
 
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