Can the country be unified?

[Into the Night]

There has never been a clearer indicator that someone is a terrible person than their support of Donald Trump.

TDS. Hate speech. Denial of history. Insult fallacy.

Even now, they could do what true Republicans have done.

True Scotsman fallacy.

They could get behind the people they support who actually won an election.

No one has won the election. The election is still indeterminate. I will not support people that try to implement a coup via election fraud. I will not support you or any other Democrat.

They could talk about issues and values and what they want to achieve over the next two and four years.

Take your own advice. You don't want unity. You support those that are attempting to destroy the United States. You spew hate speech. You ignore history. You insult people. I don't want your values.

They could leave the Trump cult,

Not a cult. Insult fallacy. Redefinition fallacy.

stand for something again,

I stand for the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Washington. I stand for a federated republic. I stand for capitalism. I stand for patriotism. I stand for the rule of law. I stand with Donald Trump.
YOU stand for socialism, the theft of wealth, the control of people by government, fascism, violent factions including Antifa, BLM, and the KKK. You stand for rule by fiat. You stand for the destruction of the United States and it's constitution.

And you have the gall to call for unity?????? Fuck you.

and try to regain some integrity.

Bulverism fallacy. You don't get to judge who has 'integrity'. You are not the king. You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Bigotry.

Instead, they're crawling farther up Trump's ass than I even thought was possible.

Insult fallacy.

They're throwing temper tantrums

You are describing yourself. Inversion fallacy.

and calling Biden and Harris Nazis.

They aren't Nazis, but they ARE fascists.

They're watching and reading conspiracy theories about an election that happened nearly a month ago and wasting their miserable lives repeating those conspiracy theories.

The Democrat party is a conspiracy. The fraud is being reported by witness testimony from thousands of witnesses. The Dominion software has features capable of throwing elections. You are denying direct evidence. They are not 'conspiracy theories'. They are evidence. Direct evidence.

They're destroying American conservatism.

No, that is the desire of the Democrats.

Doublespeak. Denial of witness testimony. Denial of evidence. Denial of history. Denial of the Constitution. Bigotry. TDS. No argument presented.

 

[evince]

Well, that's your prerogative. I am a liberal, but I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. I was eviscerated by Democrats for years. I made a better decision in this election, but I will be damned to hell for eternity before I ever say a good word about the Democratic party. Awful is awful no matter what color its tie is.

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[Into the Night]

Trump supporters are bad citizens. We have to own up to it. A lot of Americans hate democracy and want fascism.

The United States is not and never was a democracy. It is a federated republic. YOU want fascism by oligarchy. Fuck you.

 

[Earl]

TDS. Hate speech. Denial of history. Insult fallacy.

True Scotsman fallacy.

No one has won the election. The election is still indeterminate. I will not support people that try to implement a coup via election fraud. I will not support you or any other Democrat.

Take your own advice. You don't want unity. You support those that are attempting to destroy the United States. You spew hate speech. You ignore history. You insult people. I don't want your values.

Not a cult. Insult fallacy. Redefinition fallacy.

I stand for the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Washington. I stand for a federated republic. I stand for capitalism. I stand for patriotism. I stand for the rule of law. I stand with Donald Trump.
YOU stand for socialism, the theft of wealth, the control of people by government, fascism, violent factions including Antifa, BLM, and the KKK. You stand for rule by fiat. You stand for the destruction of the United States and it's constitution.

And you have the gall to call for unity?????? Fuck you.

Bulverism fallacy. You don't get to judge who has 'integrity'. You are not the king. You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Bigotry.

Insult fallacy.

You are describing yourself. Inversion fallacy.

They aren't Nazis, but they ARE fascists.

The Democrat party is a conspiracy. The fraud is being reported by witness testimony from thousands of witnesses. The Dominion software has features capable of throwing elections. You are denying direct evidence. They are not 'conspiracy theories'. They are evidence. Direct evidence.

No, that is the desire of the Democrats.

Doublespeak. Denial of witness testimony. Denial of evidence. Denial of history. Denial of the Constitution. Bigotry. TDS. No argument presented.

Indeed.

A splendid refutation of that clown’s abomination (post).

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night is most definitely crazy, but I think it's less an issue of mental health and more an issue of him being infected with hate of anything to the left of him.

Psychoquackery.

He hates Democrats

You bet I do.

so much that he hates the word democracy.

You bet I do. I stand for a federated republic. I stand for the Constitution. I stand with Donald Trump.

He actually thinks that the Founders established a constitutional federal republic

They did.

because they would favor the Republican political party that was founded 78 years later and after they were all dead.

False equivalence fallacy. Presentism fallacy. The Republican party is not the same thing as a republic. The Republican party generally wants to preserve the republic.

That dude is a hot mess.

Insult fallacy.

Psychoquackery. Insults. Doublespeak. False equivalence fallacy. Lies. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

I find that most people who talk casually about fascism and socialism and communism have no idea what they're talking about. You did a good job of explaining the basics. I find that visual aids also sometimes help.

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No, he did a good job of making fallacies and redefining words. Doublespeak.

 

[Into the Night]

Maybe I didn't understand your post. What does "a tuck here and there" mean and how did it relate to my post that had nothing to do with you and was never addressed to you but to which you decided to pointlessly respond anyway?

Me: "Dutch Uncle seems to me to be a troll. Plain and simple. He's as basic as bread. I think Into the Night is actually dumb. I think he believes the things he says, but he can't respond to more than four words at a time and he can't respond with more than three words at a time. They're both dumpsters, but one is doing it on purpose and the other one has no idea what he ever does."

You: "You could use a tuck here and there yourself, shit for brains."

Insult fallacies. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

Right wing melt down. They don't know anything. Just babbling.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself and other Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

The question, though, is why? I had a professor once who offered the best explanation I've heard. I'm not convinced, but it still resonates with me. He said that most humans have a natural impulse to want to be better, bigger, more. The easiest way to imagine those things is to admire them in another person. In countries that still have a monarchy, that admiration is often easily housed in the monarchy itself. In a country like the US, we construct our own royalties, including professional athletes, musical stars, etc. There will, however, always be a tendency to admire a strong man. Trump is the poor man's version of a rich man and the weak man's version of a strong man. He brags about his wealth and says anything he wants to say and physically pushes people around in rooms. Most of us sometimes worry about finances, respect social norms related to the things we say, and keep our hands to ourselves. We have to find a way to address these impulses before they make it all the way to fascism. As an aside, the same professor told me that the lottery exists to keep poor people from revolting. He was a really interesting guy and intensely disliked by a lot of the student body.

Fascism is a form of socialism. You are supporting fascists.

 

[Into the Night]

Apparently not. A lot was written since yesterday. I just read the circle jerk about Democratic Nazis and the end of the union and blah blah blah. Some of these fuckers are still bitching about the election.

There is reason to bitch about the election, dumbass. It's been hopelessly compromised.

 

[Into the Night]

Even in our system the President is like a constitutional monarch.

No. The Constitution does not make the President a monarch. See Article II.

The modern problem is how to limit the power of the president without having to amend the Constitution.

See Article II.

Fascism is a specific perversion of democracy where the system does not have a way to force the president to conform.

Which is what you want.

 

[evince]

Republicans have cheated in elections for decades


Cold hard court documented proof exists

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is what black voters told us

I believe they are honest about how they vote and why

All multi-millions of them or just those on MSNBC? Who is "us"? It's a confusing word since some members have tapeworms, others carry a mouse in their pocket...which some like to play with while posting one-handed and others feel they are of royal blood. Such things interest me and I'm curious about your answer.

I'm a big supporter of polls but many people** don't understand them. Even had a few classes in statistics. Not a big math guy, but I certainly do love numerical data such as polls and statistical plots. Example: https://www.businessinsider.com/2016-2020-electoral-maps-exit-polls-compared-2020-11

**mostly right to far right anti-science conspiracy theorist wackadoodles.

 

[Into the Night]

the best way to show how similar they are is showing political ideology as a circle graph, rather than linear...with the extreme left being at the bottom of the circle on the left of center, next to the extreme right wing at the bottom of the circle, on the right of center. when you move clockwise around the circle starting at bottom center, you first go to communism, then about the middle of the left side, socialism, then at top center, no ideological political position, then middle right- religious or hereditary kingdoms, then down to fascism,nazis in general.

Fascism is a form of socialism, dumbass. it is what you want.

 

[Into the Night]

i think your professor was right about trump voters somehow believing this arrogant, loudmouth creampuff trump is a tough guy because he does not give a shit about anyone but himself, that he enjoys bullying those who are stupid or weak enough to let him bully them because of his dough or political power, and because he is rich (apparently) he must be better and smarter than they are for some reason.

Trump stands for the republic. He stands for the Constitution. He stands for capitalism, the only economic system that can create wealth. He stands for liberty. He stands for the rule of law.

You don't stand for any of it. You stand for fascism.

 

[Diesel]

The Democratic party

Thank you for clarifying. The Democratic party has gerrymandered congressional districts, obstructed legislative progress, starved good candidates, fed bad ones, and taken control of our political system from the only true stakeholders: the voters. The Democratic party is the same as the Republican party but didn't elevate a satanic asshole like Trump to the White House.

 

[Into the Night]

Elections including mid term elections

Nope. The Constitution.

 

[evince]

Republicans have cheated in elections for decades


Cold hard court documented proof exists

https://www.clearinghouse.net/detail.php?id=4010


Court filings

 

[Into the Night]

Our system has been struggling for a couple of decades because republicans have been cheating in elections


Otherwise it works fine

Inversion fallacy. You are describing Democrats.

 

[Earl]

Perhaps the far left loons will believe the CIA World Fact Book.

United States

Type of government

Constitutional Federal Republic


Or they could have read an eighth grade civics book.