Mason Michaels
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Change The Constitution. Make Impeachment Votes Secret Ballot.
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How was the Trump trial any different? In the Johnson trial not a single Democratic Senator voted to convict him and not a single Democratic Senator voted to convict Clinton. That makes Trump's trial the only one that was bi-partisan (based on your definition of one vote making it bi-partisan).
When no members of the president's party (or only one) are willing to impose impartial justice by voting to convict him it seems more like a standard practice and very partisan.
PoliTalker
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Hello cawacko,
No, no at all. When voting on policy matters, they are doing partial politics. They campaigned on it and were voted into office for that purpose. They are, with their votes on setting policy, fulfilling their promises to the people who voted them into office.
But nobody campaigns on the promise to do impartial justice while voting on impeachment. It is a task which befalls them when they take the job only by chance, if a president has behaved so out of line that impeachment becomes the issue. They are not fulfilling promises to their voters during impeachment. They are supposed to be honoring the oath they took to hold allegiance to the constitution to serve the interests of the country, and to do so without party considerations.
No, no at all. When voting on policy matters, they are doing partial politics. They campaigned on it and were voted into office for that purpose. They are, with their votes on setting policy, fulfilling their promises to the people who voted them into office.
But nobody campaigns on the promise to do impartial justice while voting on impeachment. It is a task which befalls them when they take the job only by chance, if a president has behaved so out of line that impeachment becomes the issue. They are not fulfilling promises to their voters during impeachment. They are supposed to be honoring the oath they took to hold allegiance to the constitution to serve the interests of the country, and to do so without party considerations.
PoliTalker
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Hello Woko Haram,
You're right. It would not require a Constitutional change. It could be done with a law, or even a Senate rule change. They could have done if for this impeachment if they wanted to.
But they didn't do that. Why? The majority didn't want to. I would guess that every Democrat would have voted to do that, but the vote never even came up because Republicans didn't want that. The reason? If the ballot was secret, there might be some Republicans who actually vote their conscience instead of their fears, just as you say.
That's why it needs to be a Constitutional Amendment.
That way, it cannot be changed during an impeachment.
You're right. It would not require a Constitutional change. It could be done with a law, or even a Senate rule change. They could have done if for this impeachment if they wanted to.
But they didn't do that. Why? The majority didn't want to. I would guess that every Democrat would have voted to do that, but the vote never even came up because Republicans didn't want that. The reason? If the ballot was secret, there might be some Republicans who actually vote their conscience instead of their fears, just as you say.
That's why it needs to be a Constitutional Amendment.
That way, it cannot be changed during an impeachment.
PoliTalker
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Perhaps that is precisely because the ballots are currently public.
Scut Farkus
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politicians need more accountability, not less, you ignorant cretin.
you're probably the biggest idiot on the forum.
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Scut Farkus
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No; it's the Fascistic thing to do. The Party of the Jackass is going to need to figure out how to win elections if it wants to turn this nation into Venezuela.
Indeed they will.
Really? Take a guess.....how long do you think it will be before the democrats hold a majority in either house of congress.....20....30 years?
Nancy has really stepped in shit this time.
Wrong; your Marxist ideals are outdated for the times.
Your racist remarks tend to diminish them however.
The truth isn't diminished because of the colorful way something is stated.
BTW, I've shown where the use of the term in question is not racist.
It's no secret that the reason the Democrats did what they did with impeachment was being mad about getting an ass whipping in 2016.