Chuck Todd: ‘I Don’t Understand How Bernie’s Considered a Frontrunner’
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Really? Why is it juvenile? You are making an absurd claim that Wallmart is paying slave wages forcing people to go on food stamps.
I am asking you the relevant question; who is forcing ANYONE in this country to do ANYTHING they don't wish to? Who is forcing ANYONE in this country to do work for less than they think they are worth?
Read and become informed:
WalMart Pays High Wages, Not Low Wages
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...t-pays-high-wages-not-low-wages/#5adeb459253b
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
no neocon. corporate welfare is a bridge too far. when walmart is referring it's employees directly to government services to collect part of their compensation that's just fascist. you think the ceo gets a social services referral as part of his compensation?
plus sam walton was cia.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Casual Leftist,
Doesn't matter if it implies that or not. That is not the case. This compromise is one-sided. You make it with yourself, nobody else. It is a matter of compromising your own ideals in return for avoiding something even worse than what you are settling for. And that is exactly what it is: settling. It takes wisdom to understand that being an uncompromising idealist can result in worsening your condition more than giving in and accepting the 'lessor of two evils.' Sure, you're not getting what you want, but you're also not getting what you really don't want.
Well, that's your choice but I don't see how you can be 'done compromising.' It's not like you have some secret power, some 'nuclear option' to improve the situation. Voting for, or allowing, DT to get reelected is like asking for more corruption and zero action on climate change. It is asking for more young conservative SCOTUS judges. It is asking for public education to be dismantled along with the EPA. And kiss Roe goodbye. It is asking for the debt to skyrocket out of control and such irresponsible budgeting that when the next recession hits, and it will, the government will be ill prepared to shoulder the expense, leaving us so debt-stricken we'd have to make some really lousy choices with no good options available.
I love Bernie. I support him. I agree with everything he says. I sent him money. I will gladly vote for him if he wins the nomination. But I am also practical. Bernie's message has gone far and wide. That is awesome to see. I am glad so many people agree with him. But it is still not enough. The DT cultists will never agree, and they will scare everybody who is uncertain with nonstop stories of the horrors of socialism. They will become furious and highly motivated. If somebody else ends up with the nomination, even if it was dirty tricks by the Democratic Party elite and super-delegates, I will vote for that person. Not because they are my first choice but because they would be my only choice to avoid something less desirable. Another term with the 'very stable genius.'
Nobody ever said compromise was easy. But you do get something in return for what you give up.
You also have to understand even if Bernie is elected President he is not getting everything he has campaigned on. He would never get a majority of Congress to vote for it until we pass the Anti-Corruption Act at the federal level, which is years and years away. So far, it has only passed in a few localities and not even at one state level.
Doesn't matter if it implies that or not. That is not the case. This compromise is one-sided. You make it with yourself, nobody else. It is a matter of compromising your own ideals in return for avoiding something even worse than what you are settling for. And that is exactly what it is: settling. It takes wisdom to understand that being an uncompromising idealist can result in worsening your condition more than giving in and accepting the 'lessor of two evils.' Sure, you're not getting what you want, but you're also not getting what you really don't want.
Well, that's your choice but I don't see how you can be 'done compromising.' It's not like you have some secret power, some 'nuclear option' to improve the situation. Voting for, or allowing, DT to get reelected is like asking for more corruption and zero action on climate change. It is asking for more young conservative SCOTUS judges. It is asking for public education to be dismantled along with the EPA. And kiss Roe goodbye. It is asking for the debt to skyrocket out of control and such irresponsible budgeting that when the next recession hits, and it will, the government will be ill prepared to shoulder the expense, leaving us so debt-stricken we'd have to make some really lousy choices with no good options available.
I love Bernie. I support him. I agree with everything he says. I sent him money. I will gladly vote for him if he wins the nomination. But I am also practical. Bernie's message has gone far and wide. That is awesome to see. I am glad so many people agree with him. But it is still not enough. The DT cultists will never agree, and they will scare everybody who is uncertain with nonstop stories of the horrors of socialism. They will become furious and highly motivated. If somebody else ends up with the nomination, even if it was dirty tricks by the Democratic Party elite and super-delegates, I will vote for that person. Not because they are my first choice but because they would be my only choice to avoid something less desirable. Another term with the 'very stable genius.'
Nobody ever said compromise was easy. But you do get something in return for what you give up.
You also have to understand even if Bernie is elected President he is not getting everything he has campaigned on. He would never get a majority of Congress to vote for it until we pass the Anti-Corruption Act at the federal level, which is years and years away. So far, it has only passed in a few localities and not even at one state level.
Casual Leftist
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I don't understand, are you saying Trump won because it's no longer a bi-partisan shut out? As in the GOP won because unlike the Dems they had no ideological in fighting?
Ironic that you think the Democratic Party of the Jackass is about ideology. Their campaign message is "anyone but Trump."
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
get behind bernie and ask him to go back to how he really felt about open borders and tpp (bad trade deals) in 2016. he was against them.
but nooooooo, you're controlled opposition.
but nooooooo, you're controlled opposition.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Cinnabar,
Then they need to either make it an issue or be replaced.
Nobody ever said change was easy. If we really want to end corruption of big money it has to begin with city counsels. What local politician wants to take a stand against an Anti-Corruption Act? That sounds like a quick way to get voted out. It may not mean much at the local level but once this kind of thing takes hold it takes on a life of it's own. When candidates figure out voters like voting for somebody who promises to pass the Anti-Corruption Act, they will be quick to embrace it and follow through.
After enough cities and counties have passed it that is when it will pass at the state levels too. And then we will begin sending anti-corruption legislators to DC. One by one all of the swamp creatures in DC will be replaced until there is a majority of Anti-Corruption Act politicians in DC. Then it will pass the federal level.
That will take years. Sure, it won't be easy. But we have no better choices. Electing Bernie would be wonderful but how does that get him the Congress which would pass what he wants? No way a corrupt one is going to do that. They all answer to the rich and powerful who don't want anything that doesn't make them richer and more powerful.
Anti-Corruption Act
Then they need to either make it an issue or be replaced.
Nobody ever said change was easy. If we really want to end corruption of big money it has to begin with city counsels. What local politician wants to take a stand against an Anti-Corruption Act? That sounds like a quick way to get voted out. It may not mean much at the local level but once this kind of thing takes hold it takes on a life of it's own. When candidates figure out voters like voting for somebody who promises to pass the Anti-Corruption Act, they will be quick to embrace it and follow through.
After enough cities and counties have passed it that is when it will pass at the state levels too. And then we will begin sending anti-corruption legislators to DC. One by one all of the swamp creatures in DC will be replaced until there is a majority of Anti-Corruption Act politicians in DC. Then it will pass the federal level.
That will take years. Sure, it won't be easy. But we have no better choices. Electing Bernie would be wonderful but how does that get him the Congress which would pass what he wants? No way a corrupt one is going to do that. They all answer to the rich and powerful who don't want anything that doesn't make them richer and more powerful.
Anti-Corruption Act
Casual Leftist
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This is a paradox. If we always settle for the lesser of 2 evils then evil always wins. We will never get what we want either way. I want to vote for a candidate I actually like. And I've found that.
I'm glad you brought this up. You're right, in way I'm not advocating for an end to negotiation. But I am advocating for making sure that both sides of the negotiation are as close to even as possible. Unions are by far the best way to match the economic power of industrialists for a fair seat at the negotiating table. This was the problem of 100 years ago, and it was placated by Union membership as the tool to address grievances over violent revolution.
Actually, and I hate to put on this darker hat, but Trump is the nuclear option. Because frankly the more capitalist stooges rip this country apart to suck out those profitable innards the more people will turn to further left ideology to reject it. I would argue Trump winning the election and exposing an under belly of corruption helps the progressive cause way more than Hillary could have pushed it in 8 years.
Diminishing returns leading to eventual starvation. Trickle down economics is a feeding tube.
I actually like that this is true. Bernie isn't some unchecked god king. He will have to make deals - but I don't expect him to compromise on the core values of the movement.
Casual Leftist
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Ironic that you think the Democratic Party of the Jackass is about ideology. Their campaign message is "anyone but Trump."
You wouldn't know ideology if it bit you on the ass.
You presented anecdotal evidence. I pointed it out.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
LINK to these lie filled claims.
the truth is out there, scully.
Why? Because you say so? You wouldn't be able to formulate a coherent argument without lying.
I presented ONE case of MANY. But, because you are woefully inept and uninformed, you don't seem to comprehend that even ONE Kate Steinle is unacceptable when it could have easily been prevented by abiding by our laws and if not for sanctuary Cities and the Party of the Jackass's desire to bring in illegals by the boatload.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I thought we were talking about rape, murder and vehicular homicide committed by persons released by sanctuary cities.......
How many hundreds of thousands of American citizens have to be assaulted, raped and murdered by illegals (non- citizens) who are not supposed to be here.
The radical Democrat Socialists with their open borders and sanctuary cities have blood on their hands.
Perhaps it will take a loved one of the radical Democrat Socialist party to become a victim before this is stopped.