civil war is inevitable

[Dutch Uncle]

what I AM, is somewhat hopeful. If you were truly a Marine, there's still hope for you, at least in my eyes. you may yet still be just an idiot, coward, or a brainwashed fool..............but I can always hope.

Dude, you've already proved you support violently overthrowing the nation because you believe it's irreparably broken. Throwing out the Marine card when you are clearly a violent traitor just makes you look irrational, son.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you're gay.

You're a dupe. Which is worse?

 

[Neoclitorus]

You're a dupe. Which is worse?

you're a dupe, deep state dum dum.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you're a dupe, deep state dum dum.

More proof you're a coward, Fredo: you can't make up your fucking mind.

 

[martin]

Speaks not well of this place that a premise as dumb as the one that opened this thread gets 71 pages of comments.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Speaks not well of this place that a premise as dumb as the one that opened this thread gets 71 pages of comments.

It's the driving motivation for 1/6.

Let's not forget that Trump never invented or created anything. He just exploits what's already there. All the racists, WSEs and other domestic terrorists groups, including fanboys on JPP, followed Trump because he told them exactly what they wanted to hear.

https://theconversation.com/how-don...ectly-to-the-assault-on-the-us-capitol-153277
How Donald Trump’s populist narrative led directly to the assault on the US Capitol

The January 6 assault on the Capitol may have been a fitting end to Trump’s presidency. It was the embodiment of his trademark violation of norms and desacralization of institutions. It was also the logical culmination of four years of violently partisan rhetoric.

Donald Trump is of course less the cause but rather the natural expression of a populism run amok, and one for which Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement were the harbingers. Still, he is an impressive – and appalling – expression of American populism. As the only representative elected by all Americans, the US president has both institutional and rhetorical power given his unique media exposure. The “commander-in-chief” is also the “storyteller-in-chief.” His January 6 “Save America” speech is a perfect illustration of the way a populist narrative can sway the masses. It is essential to understand its mechanism and to recognize its characteristics if we want to prevent a repeat....

 

[martin]

It's the driving motivation for 1/6.

Let's not forget that Trump never invented or created anything. He just exploits what's already there. All the racists, WSEs and other domestic terrorists groups, including fanboys on JPP, followed Trump because he told them exactly what they wanted to hear.

https://theconversation.com/how-don...ectly-to-the-assault-on-the-us-capitol-153277
How Donald Trump’s populist narrative led directly to the assault on the US Capitol

Civil war as a motivation, okay if weakly, but this was the premise: "Since the demise of the USSR, the “American Empire” no longer had an existential enemy and therefore no reason to exist."

In the first place, we aren't talking about "the American Empire" which no longer exists in any form like what it once was. In the second place, The United States, which we are talking about, doesn't exist as an alternative to "an existential enemy". These guys thrive on being historical ignoramuses. The Founders would have liked nothing better than for the colonies to remain as part of Great Britain if they could have a more equal footing, but that they couldn't and it was for that reason the nation was formed. We exist now as we always have - to be our own country with freely elected government. It's "the freely elected government" part our friends are having the problem with. Because their childish president didn't get his way they are behaving like him.

I don't buy the civil war idea either. Jan. 6 was strictly visceral and momentary.

How many of our arm chair revolutionaries in this forum would be on the front lines, do you think?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Civil war as a motivation, okay if weakly, but this was the premise: "Since the demise of the USSR, the “American Empire” no longer had an existential enemy and therefore no reason to exist."

In the first place, we aren't talking about "the American Empire" which no longer exists in any form like what it once was. In the second place, The United States, which we are talking about, doesn't exist as an alternative to "an existential enemy". These guys thrive on being historical ignoramuses. The Founders would have liked nothing better than for the colonies to remain as part of Great Britain if they could have a more equal footing, but that they couldn't and it was for that reason the nation was formed. We exist now as we always have - to be our own country with freely elected government. It's "the freely elected government" part our friends are having the problem with. Because their childish president didn't get his way they are behaving like him.

I don't buy the civil war idea either. Jan. 6 was strictly visceral and momentary.

How many of our arm chair revolutionaries in this forum would be on the front lines, do you think?

There's truth in that premise; notice how US politics started on their current radical bent when the Soviet Union died. There were elements before 1991, but they never took root until after 1991. Why? For the reason you mentioned: needing a boogeyman to rally the troops. For the Republicans, it became gay marriage and abortion; a decidedly religious POV.

Flash forward to 2020 and we end up with this:

 

[martin]

There's truth in that premise; notice how US politics started on their current radical bent when the Soviet Union died. There were elements before 1991, but they never took root until after 1991. Why? For the reason you mentioned: needing a boogeyman to rally the troops. For the Republicans, it became gay marriage and abortion; a decidedly religious POV.

Flash forward to 2020 and we end up with this:

Yes, but the truth is limited to this, I think: because we no longer face dire danger from an external source we are focusing on ourselves and our internal differences and conflicts. Doesn't mean the nation has no reason to exist, but in what form and manner should it exist. What kind of a country are we? That's a conflict we've always had.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, but the truth is limited to this, I think: because we no longer face dire danger from an external source we are focusing on ourselves and our internal differences and conflicts. Doesn't mean the nation has no reason to exist, but in what form and manner should it exist. What kind of a country are we? That's a conflict we've always had.

Agreed.

Now the problem: both parties are using wedge issues to justify their actions. While I will readily agree that the Republicans have moved the farthest into becoming an autocratic party, they aren't alone in using wedge issues to divide Americans against themselves.

 

[Cypress]

Not tonight,...but tomorrow because I have to leave shortly,...I will send you a PM. Quick teaser......I met someone back in 2012 basically by pure chance and we hit it off. What I found out changed how I thought about things forever. He is way up the chain,...like WAY UP the chain of command. Cant stress that enuff. What you are saying is VERY believable based on what he told me back then even. Things are very close to going over the edge ...........

Since you were easily duped by the Kraken lies, you were also seemingly duped by your top secret source you met in 2012.

 

[martin]

Agreed.

Now the problem: both parties are using wedge issues to justify their actions. While I will readily agree that the Republicans have moved the farthest into becoming an autocratic party, they aren't alone in using wedge issues to divide Americans against themselves.

They are but are any of them avoidable, any for the purpose of division?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They are but are any of them avoidable, any for the purpose of division?

Yes, but it's up to Americans to choose the national path. Are they sheep being led toward a cliff or are they intelligent, independent thinkers looking for a better future for all Americans?

Notice that all the wedge issues end up being Zero Sum situations; someone is a winner and someone is a loser. I disagree with that philosophy in favor of Win-Win situations.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Since you were easily duped by the Kraken lies, you were also seemingly duped by your top secret source you met in 2012.

Notice he posted that December 20th, 2020. Two months later he was denying involvement in the WSEs, the Insurrection and any Trumpian violence. LOL

 

[Cypress]

Notice he posted that December 20th, 2020. Two months later he was denying involvement in the WSEs, the Insurrection and any Trumpian violence. LOL

There was a lot of bluster about blood running in the streets and revolutions in December 2020.

The few hundred MAGA fat asses who actually reported for duty on J6 ended up meekly surrendering to FBI agents, and begging judges for mercy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There was a lot of bluster about blood running in the streets and revolutions in December 2020.

The few hundred MAGA fat asses who actually reported for duty on J6 ended up meekly surrendering to FBI agents, and begging judges for mercy.

They love that shit. I believe STY was there, outside the magnetometers. Stone and AHZ were at home, hiding and hoping no one noticed.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/thierry-meyssan/civil-war-becomes-inevitable-in-the-usa/

The problem is no longer who was legitimately elected President of the United States, but how long can the civil war be postponed? Far from being a fight between a narcissistic TV presenter and a senile old man, the country is being torn apart over a fundamental cultural issue that has been smouldering since its inception.

Here we are: the disaster that has been predictable for the past 30 years is looming. The United States is heading inexorably toward secession and civil war.

Since the demise of the USSR, the “American Empire” no longer had an existential enemy and therefore no reason to exist. The attempt by George H. Bush (the father) and Bill Clinton to give the country a new life with the globalization of trade has destroyed the middle classes in the USA and in almost all of the West. The attempt of George W. Bush (son) and Barack Obama to organize the world around a new form of capitalism – financial this time – has been bogged down in the sands of Syria.

It is too late to turn the tide. Donald Trump’s attempt to abandon the American Empire and refocus the country’s efforts on its domestic prosperity has been sabotaged by the elites acquired to the puritanical ideology of the “Pilgrim Fathers”. As a result, the moment so feared by Richard Nixon and his election adviser Kevin Philipps has arrived: the United States is on the brink of secession and civil war.
Break It Up: Secession... Kreitner, Richard Best Price: $20.11 Buy New $18.72 (as of 04:28 EDT - Details)

What I am writing is not a fantasy, but the analysis of many observers in the United States and around the world. For example, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has just declared Donald Trump’s election fraud appeal inadmissible, not on legal grounds, but because “it would open Pandora’s box.

In fact, contrary to the misrepresentation of events that dominates the international press, either the outgoing president’s appeals are judged in law and he is obviously right, or they are judged in politics and proving him right will provoke civil war. But the conflict is already too far advanced. Judging him politically in defiance of the law will also provoke civil war.

There will be no secession. There will be civil war. It's really only a matter of time now.
There is no 'new form of capitalism'. Capitalism is capitalism...always the same.

Otherwise a reasonably solid argument.

 

[Neoclitorus]

There will be no secession. There will be civil war. It's really only a matter of time now.
There is no 'new form of capitalism'. Capitalism is capitalism...always the same.

Otherwise a reasonably solid argument.

no.

civil war is retarded.

patriots will win through civil processes.

we have the numbers.

deep state has failed in sufficiently dividing the nation.

 

[Into the Night]

No rightwinger here reported for duty on J6, even though their orange demigod told them the republic was in grave danger if Biden was certified by Congress.

Congress has no authority to choose the electors for any State.
The Republic is gone. There is no more United States. Not since the coup by Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

what I AM, is somewhat hopeful. If you were truly a Marine, there's still hope for you, at least in my eyes. you may yet still be just an idiot, coward, or a brainwashed fool..............but I can always hope.

He never served. He's making it up, like so many other things about himself. He spends most of time hallucinating and throwing insults.