Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo

Why don't you start a campaign to get the flag banned and arrest everybody who displays it. Get back to me when you have been successful. I won't hold my breath.

Flash, it's impossible for me to do anything on a message board, but the tactic of foisting this task in an anonymous forum, is you admitting to everyone that you realized the argument you were making was eating itself, and that you're full of shit.

You're also a sociopath, unable to exercise the basic human trait of empathy.

It's impossible for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes because of how comfortable and privileged you are.

Maybe that's because you isolate yourself by sitting on the top of the fence.
 
Flash, it's impossible for me to do anything on a message board, but the tactic of foisting this task in an anonymous forum, is you admitting to everyone that you realized the argument you were making was eating itself, and that you're full of shit.

You're also a sociopath, unable to exercise the basic human trait of empathy.

You make no sense. You want to limit constitutionally guaranteed freedom of expression but punish a conception of intimidation that is not a crime.

My argument is to protect current freedoms and not make up imaginary punishments based on your political views.

You claim my argument is faulty while yours goes against every rule of law and 1st amendment freedom.

You have a very violent streak that you seek to exercise through hostile political views and discussion. You think violence is acceptable if it is against people you disagree with but think you are being empathetic because you want to assuage your liberal guilty by pretending black people are intimidated by a flag. They don't need your paternalistic protection. Yet, you have no empathy towards those you disagree with even to the point of imposing fascist oppression on their freedoms.

You cannot stick to an argument but have to resort to finding perceived inconsistencies in the argument of others when you cannot understand the nuances of their posts.
 
That dumbass said about a dozen posts ago that intimidation is not protected free speech, then he goes to say the Constitution gives you the freedom to intimidate others.

He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Actually intimidation isn't protected free speech. Particularly when it comes under the legal definition of "fighting words".
 
You make no sense. You want to limit constitutionally guaranteed freedom of expression but punish a conception of intimidation that is not a crime.

My argument is to protect current freedoms and not make up imaginary punishments based on your political views.

You claim my argument is faulty while yours goes against every rule of law and 1st amendment freedom.

You have a very violent streak that you seek to exercise through hostile political views and discussion. You think violence is acceptable if it is against people you disagree with but think you are being empathetic because you want to assuage your liberal guilty by pretending black people are intimidated by a flag. They don't need your paternalistic protection. Yet, you have no empathy towards those you disagree with even to the point of imposing fascist oppression on their freedoms.

You cannot stick to an argument but have to resort to finding perceived inconsistencies in the argument of others when you cannot understand the nuances of their posts.

Your argument isn't an argument, it's just cognitive dissonance and I proved that using your own words against you numerous times on this thread.

But since you don't hold yourself to any sort of standard, it doesn't matter to you just how contradictory your entire position here actually is.

So you will claim a victory of sorts, and walk away convinced of your own self-worth and wisdom.

As I quoted before: “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. Well, God give them wisdom that have it; and those that are fools, let them use their talents.”
 
You think violence is acceptable if it is against people you disagree with but think you are being empathetic because you want to assuage your liberal guilty by pretending black people are intimidated by a flag.

See, there you go again, proving to everyone you lack any shred of empathy by invalidating an entire group of people.

You're a fuckin' sociopath.
 
Slavery is not a constitutional freedom because of amendments.

I don't think there is support to repeal the 1st amendment to stop people from displaying a flag or symbol, spout offensive or hate speech, or the many other freedoms just because some or all are uncomfortable with it.

The Bill of Rights prohibit any (unreasonable) infringements because they knew some people would always be willing to restrict the rights of an unpopular minority.

There doesn't need to be. All rights have limits including Free Speech. For example, you can't use free speech as "fighting words" and you can't use Free Speech to cause public disorder (shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater). Using free speech to intimidate people would fall under the "fighting words" limits. So it would be a pretty high bar to prove that prohibiting speech for the purpose of intimidating others to act or behave in a specific way would be a violation of free speech.

Say for example, If I approach you in public and say to you "If you don't vote for John Q. Republican I'll kick the shit out of you." and I get arrested for intimidating you (assault), pleading that my threatening and intimidating words are protected as Free Speech probably wouldn't pass legal muster and you'd probably be convicted of assault. People are arrested, charged and convicted for threats and intimidation (assault) all the time.
 
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There doesn't need to be. All rights have limits including Free Speech. For example, you can't use free speech as "fighting words" and you can't use Free Speech to cause public disorder (shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater). Using free speech to intimidate people would fall under the "fighting words" limits. So it would be a pretty high bar to prove that prohibiting speech for the purpose of intimidating others to act or behave in a specific way would be a violation of free speech.

Say for example, If I approach you in public and say to you "If you don't vote for John Q. Republican I'll kick the shit out of you." and I get arrested for intimidating you (assault), pleading that my threatening and intimidating words are protected as Free Speech probably wouldn't pass legal muster and you'd probably be convicted of assault. People are arrested, charged and convicted for threats and intimidation (assault) all the time.

Not true. You are exaggerating the limits on free speech. No speech is illegal in itself, but government can restrict certain types. That includes obscenity, threats, slander, and fighting words. These can be limited because the type of speech that the Constitution seeks to protect is speech about public issues.

But fighting words is very limited. If I am in your face yelling personal insults (not political speech) at a specific individual that would want to make a reasonable person lash out in reaction a police officer can ask me to stop to prevent imminent (immediate) violence. If you hit me before the officer intervenes, my speech was not restricted and it is no longer a free speech case. You committed assault but you may have a defense due to my actions.

45-5-203. Intimidation. (1) A person commits the offense of intimidation when, with the purpose to cause another to perform or to omit the performance of any act, the person communicates to another, under circumstances that reasonably tend to produce a fear that it will be carried out, a threat to perform without lawful authority any of the following acts:
(a) inflict physical harm on the person threatened or any other person;
(b) subject any person to physical confinement or restraint; or
(c) commit any felony.
(2) A person commits the offense of intimidation if the person knowingly communicates a threat or false report of a pending fire, explosion, or disaster that would endanger life or property.

So, it is only intimidation if the person uses threats to make a person commit some act or not take some action. A flag, symbol, or even threats do not constitute intimidation.

Your example of "If you don't vote for John Q. Republican I'll kick the shit out of you." and I get arrested for intimidating you (assault)" probably meets the elements of intimidation (but it is not assault). That example is very different than waving a flag or symbol because it contains none of those elements.

I can make a speech in a public park and tell a crowd they are all stupid, fat, and ugly and types of offensive things and unless that crowd shows immediate actions that threaten violence is protected speech. And even then, my speech can only be restricted if there are not enough police to handle the crowd. Their threats are the crime, not my speech. But police can stop my speech if that is the only way to prevent violence.

Even threats must be strict standards. They must be serious and I must be capable of carrying it out. A guy was convicted of threatening President Obama by writing on a Yahoo message board "Obama is going to take a 45 to the head" and calling him a racial slur. His case was overturned because he did not threaten to shoot the president.

Another case was was convicted for saying "if LBJ comes to town and I get my sights on him, I will shoot him." It was overturned because it was based on a condition that might never occur.

And, you can advocate anything you want--sex with minors, overthrow of the government through violent revolution, etc. as long as no action is taken toward that goal.
 
Actually intimidation isn't protected free speech. Particularly when it comes under the legal definition of "fighting words".

Fighting words is not necessarily the same as intimidation. Intimidation is threatening somebody unless they take some action or omit taking an action.

A lot of "fighting words" ordinances have been struck down because they included prohibitions against offensive or abusive language which cannot be restricted.

Waving a flag or symbol or yelling offensive comments do not involve threats to force a person commit some act.

So, intimidation is not protected speech. However, what LV426 erroneously calls intimidation does not meet the definitions of that word and waving a flag or symbol do not constitute illegal intimidation. Those acts are protected speech no matter how another person perceives them.
 
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