Civil War perpetrated by the Political Class

Thing1 said:
It's not debatable, and you're going w/ anatta's argument there: it doesn't matter if the President is moral, or a role model, or anything we'd want our children to emulate, as long as he/she gets results.

It's a valid argument, but I'll never join it.
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It's not a valid argument to me, either. Duterte brags that he's ridding his country of drug pushers and addicts... an admirable goal... yet he's accomplishing this by extrajudicial killings. trump needs to be watched carefully and have his feet held to the fire on some of his more outrageous comments.
 
Phantasmal said:
Healthcare, it has hurt a lot of people and Trump hasn’t made it better. There are still a lot of things that can go very wrong between now and 2020. Trump has a lot to do. Tariffs are scaring Trump voters. He could win, but there are a lot of factors that could help or hurt him.
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He's a pants on fire, effing liar.

May 2017, In an interview with CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday, Trump guaranteed protections for patients with preexisting conditions, something he has done since the campaign.

June 9, 2018 (Washington D.C.) – The Trump administration is asking a court to strike down a provision in the Affordable Care Act which requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, the Los Angeles Times reports.
 
J Craft said:
Healthcare was fucked up by the progressive wing of the democrats. It was a power grab of 1/3 of the average Americans income. Obamacare took a bad insurance program, and made it worse. Not only iwith insurance costs, but in how actual care is delivered. Voters remember what Obama did. They also saw Trump make valid attempts to fix it- and the political elites prevent him from doing so.
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Trump had no plan to fix it, please show proof Trump.

ACA did a lot for healthcare, pre existing conditions were eliminated, pregnancy coverage increased, hospital care improved and hospitals were fined if patient follow up care wasn’t adequate and they were readmitted within 30 days. Medical devices received coverage that hadn’t been covered previously. Medicare was expanded to cover more people. There were many improvements in healthcare people aren’t even aware of and too lengthyl to cover in my post.
 
christiefan915 said:
He's a pants on fire, effing liar.

May 2017, In an interview with CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday, Trump guaranteed protections for patients with preexisting conditions, something he has done since the campaign.

June 9, 2018 (Washington D.C.) – The Trump administration is asking a court to strike down a provision in the Affordable Care Act which requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, the Los Angeles Times reports.
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He promised cheaper healthcare for all, he has failed miserably and has no plan, Trump didn’t know healthcare could be so complicated. He can’t deliver on his promise because his tax cuts for the rich have priority.
 
christiefan915 said:
It's not a valid argument to me, either. Duterte brags that he's ridding his country of drug pushers and addicts... an admirable goal... yet he's accomplishing this by extrajudicial killings. trump needs to be watched carefully and have his feet held to the fire on some of his more outrageous comments.
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when Trump starts extrajudicial killings you'll have a point.
Of course comment "matter" but only when they effect results. in the long run.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Jack Minzey assumes that in the summer of 2016 - before Trump was elected - there were no legitimate grounds for investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and agents of a foreign power. How does he know that? Well, the ones behind the investigation, then and now, were 'Democrats' like Comey, Rosenstein and Mueller. Those aren't Democrats, you say? No problem, move the goalposts a little - they are 'Deep State'. Why else would they cast doubt on the people's choice? They have no legitimate gounds ... back to square one.

People like this author have swallowed Trump's propaganda whole and without question. If Trump tweeted that the sun rises in the west, I think they would swallow that, too. Anyone who disputed it would be Democrats. Or Deep State. Or something.

Btw, where is this piece quoted from? There is no citation.
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It's a misattribution.

Jack Minzey was truly an educator at Eastern Michigan University and he did pass away in April 2018. However, the essay attributed to Minzey is actually a shortened version of a speech delivered by Daniel Greenfield (a conservative author whose work can be found in publications such as FrontPageMag.com) at the South Carolina Tea Party Coalition Convention in January 2018...


It is unclear how Minzey’s name was originally attached to this text. In similar instances, relatively unknown authors’ names are replaced by those of celebrities or well-established political pundits in order to give an opinion piece more credence, or to increase the chances that it will get shared. In this case, it seems like there was renewed interest in Minzey’s life and work following his passing, and someone took advantage of his death to bring attention to an unrelated piece.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-jack-minzey-modern-civil-war/
 
Thing1 said:
Trump isn't plain spoken. He is as far from plain spoken as anyone I have seen in public life. He talks in circles and exaggerations, and frequently contradicts himself.

I believe that most Trump supporters will be embarrassed about their support for him in a few years, and many will deny it. I have seen this phenomenon before, w/ the Iraq War & Bush.
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It’s barely Monday and Thing brings up Iraq lol.

I’ve never been more satisfied with my Trump vote than I am today.
 
Phantasmal said:
He promised cheaper healthcare for all, he has failed miserably and has no plan, Trump didn’t know healthcare could be so complicated. He can’t deliver on his promise because his tax cuts for the rich have priority.
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It wasn't supposed to be "complicated" to repeal ... as the repubs had been running on that plank for 7 years ... yet ... . :dunno:

Obama made many false promises and lies to sell his ACA to the public. And after it passed, the Democrats admitted ... IT WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL :palm:
 
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