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Then why are you whining about how the govt. doesn't train anybody?
They don't. DEMOCRATS have converted schools into indoctrination centers.
You're contradicting your own claims.

No, they rig wages via collusion,
You don't know about price controls, do you?
which is why they all pay pretty much the same, and they make illegal agreements not to poach each other's employees and engage in wage wars.
WTF is a 'wage war'????
More rubbish. Whether it's shovels or lcd TV's, it all works the same. Automation takes the skills out of more jobs than it creates, and lowers wages. Eventually a handful of people make a living, the rest starve and create political instability.
Did you know shovels still exist and that they are still used, Edwina?
Can you run a backhoe? I didn't think so. Can you repair one? I didn't think so. Can you build an autonomous robot? I didn't think so.

Go learn what 'price discovery' is, Edwina. You are whining. It is obvious you are unskilled and untrained. Go out and get a skill and training and make yourself worth something to somebody.

Oh...that's right...you're too lazy for that!
 
Well, you do seem strange, but studying history might cure that.
Evasion. Answer the question put to you.
Tobyone: I knew he wouldn't answer it!
Thomas Jefferson wanted the national capital far away from NYC and Hamilton for a very good reason. the real libertarians were just as leery of financial capitalism as they were King George and his cronies.
You don't get to speak for the dead. Capitalism built New York and every other city in the United States (indeed every other city in the world!).
When the pioneers came west, and started with nothing but a bunch of weeds, some resources like water and trees, and build the cities you see today from nothing but this, and their own innovation and drive.

Now you whine about them.
As for technology advancing, it had a lot more to do with govt. spending than 'capitalist bankers n stuff'.
Capitalism isn't banks. It isn't government. Capitalism is the voluntary production of products and services for voluntary sale at an agreed upon price.
It is not Wall Street. It is Main Street. It's the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, the wainright, the farrier, the quarry, the hot dog vendors, the stores like Walmart and Home Depot and Amazon, etc.

Capitalism is a game anyone can play. It creates wealth out of nothing. It is the only economic system that does. All you need is innovation and drive. It requires no government to function, but governments can be formed to keep thievery reduced and to coordinate infrastructure.
Most of the technology was invented in Europe,
Not true, but what was invented was through capitalism.
and most of the machinery inventions were done at the Federal armories at Springfield.
Nope. It was mostly done at places like the Ford Motor company. The lathe has been around for centuries, long before the U.S. even existed.
West Point produced most of the American engineers for decades.
West Point does not produce engineers.
The drive toward standardization was paid for by govt. Samuel Colt got his ideas there.
Nope. Paid by industry, Edwina. That is still true today. For example, the current electrical code was developed by electricians and fireman, and is kept as a privately developed standardization by a private standards group called the NFPA. Government later adopted this standard.
Carnegie for instance made many trips to England in order to steal British steel making innovations,
Carnagie didn't steal anything. He invented processes that made steel far cheaper, and of better quality, to the point it's considered a common base metal now.
same as the Red Chinese now do to us.
They didn't do much of anything. Their economy is currently in a shambles.
He was no inventor, just a lucky guy who benefited from insider trading by way of being Tom Scott's secretary and cashing in on the various scams Scott ran that looted his own railroad. For instance, they formed car making companies to sell rolling stock to the Pennsylvania at inflated prices; same with other supplies.
He didn't loot anything, Edwina. Democrats do, though. Open looting is a problem in many Democrat run cities.
They also extorted businesses that relied on rail transportation mercilessly, driving the most profitable out of business or forcing them to sell a big chunk of their stock to Scott and his cronies.
He didn't extort anything, Edwina. His railroads were profitable because people wanted to use them.
They tried that on John D. Rockefeller; their problem was Vanderbilt also wanted a big piece of the new oil industry for his railroad, and so did Gould's Erie, so he had his accountant set up those transportation price rigging schemes most falsely claim Rockefeller organized. Rockefeller was able to play off Scott, Gould, and Vanderbilt off against each other. And, like all the other capitalists to this day, he abhored competition and squashed it to nothing over the years. Morgan did it with several industries: railroads, steel, coal, shipping, tobacco, etc.
Stop making shit up, Edwina.
 
All the above failures of financial scams
What 'scam'????
is where anti-trust laws
Fascism is not capitalism, Edwina.
and labor laws and unions come from.
Unions are not capitalism either, Edwina. They don't produce anything either.
It's self-inflicted, due to the complete lack of honesty and amorality rampant in corporate cultures. Get over it, there have never been 'free markets', and never will be.
There has always been free markets, and there always will be. No matter how much you want to see it disappear, you can't make it disappear.
They are always dominated by a few.
Free markets destroy monopolies, Edwina.
The real issue is whether they are dominated by criminal syndicates or people genuinely supportive of meritocracies and rewarding hard work like the oligarchs of Singapore. The latter types are a very small minority.
Oligarchy is dictatorship by committee. It has nothing to do with economy at all.
Capitalism is not a crime, Edwina.
 
I've answered it several times;
Blatant lie. Did you watch Grizzly Adams as a kid?
you just don't have a clue about real life business, is all,
Inversion fallacy.
and wouldn't understand the answer when you see it.
It's a yes/no question, Edwina. Stop evading and answer the question put to you.
Typical for a generation that has the Feds bailing out their 401K's and Wall Street gambling for decades now.

More on real economic history:
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You deny history, Edwina. Chanting our hallucinations over and over changes nothing.
 
I'm not whining about government not training anyone, but rather that government is actively dissuading students from following a career in the trades.


This is untrue. Wages in a locality are similar because that is what the market there will bear for a particular job or skills set. Employers rarely, if ever, collude to set wages and you have no proof they do. Companies also have no problem "poach(ing)" each other's employees when they are in the same field of business. That's why some employers make their employees sign non-compete agreements.

This is full of shit and shows you've never worked in the field of automation and electronics. Automation may create fewer jobs but the ones that it does create pay far more than previous manual labor jobs. You have to have a very high level of skill and extensive training to program, operate, and maintain computer-controlled machinery and equipment.

Even in the industrial era, a large percentage of the population was unable to grasp and do more advanced jobs on extant machinery. The low end of the Bell curve will always have a difficult time getting good wages. Stupid hurts.
Absolutely correct. The interesting thing about this is that people are actually assets. They can do a job. They can create companies. They can create whole industries like the computer industry or the electrical industry.

Whatever else you might say about the Boomer generation and the population explosion they represented, they DID create a lot of industries and wind up employing a LOT of people because of it!

More people is more economy. It's not a 'zero sum' game that Edwina seems to think it is.
 
It's a simple question. I don't need anymore 'History by jealous losers.' I only asked if you watched Grizzly Adams as a child. How hard is that? You don't want to answer, that's fine, but spare me the drivel, I gave that shit up when I was 16. Some people can't get past the 'thou shall not covet' thing so naturally they (you) gravitate toward alternative history written by and for people with an axe to grind. Who knows maybe someone will read your bullshit and give you a high five, I know a couple others like you that will eat that shit up.
I don't think Edwina is ever going to answer it. He'd rather preach his socialism religion. He belongs to the Church of Karl Marx.
 
Did you know that people don't tend to work for a company unless they are paid?

D you know that a lot of your heroes companies paid their employees in company scrip after suckering them over here to work?

Like the rest of your babbling, you are just peddling rubbish. You're a triggered hack, as usual.
 
It's a simple question. I don't need anymore 'History by jealous losers.' I only asked if you watched Grizzly Adams as a child. How hard is that? You don't want to answer, that's fine, but spare me the drivel, I gave that shit up when I was 16. Some people can't get past the 'thou shall not covet' thing so naturally they (you) gravitate toward alternative history written by and for people with an axe to grind. Who knows maybe someone will read your bullshit and give you a high five, I know a couple others like you that will eat that shit up.

Yes, you couldn't refute anything, obviously, so now you join your Party shills here to babble idiot insults. Who knows, maybe some billionaire will see your moronic posts and let you blow him on his private jet for being such an airhead. There is nothing 'alternative' about real history, no matter what the hacks at freerepublic keep feeding you. You're as dumb as your left wing skoolmates.
 
Argument of the Stone fallacy.

There certainly is. It's immortal. You can't kill it, no matter how oppressive you want the government to be.

Nothing to do with a free market. Random phrases ignored.

You can't speak for the dead, Edwina.

So move to Singapore an suffer the terrible economy there due to a heavy handed socialistic government. You obviously don't like the United States. Why stay?

Wikipedia is automatically rejected as a source. It isn't a source, and it's bias is already well known.

America is a continent, Edwina. Nothing is 'un-American'.

Nope. It's economy is built on banking, dairy products, wool, machinery, medical products, watches and knives, chocolate products, etc.

It has a free market, just like everywhere in the world.

Wall Street is a road. Roads don't sell anything. All banks in the United States conforms to the Federal Reserve. They aren't part of a free market.

What history are YOU imagining, Edwina?

You gave no data, Edwina.

Special pleading fallacy. Communism and fascism is not free market.

Capitalism is. No matter how much you want it, Edwina, you can't kill capitalism and you can't kill the free market that goes with it.

lol more idiot strawmen. Obviously you can't refute real history, like most ideologues. Simpletons hate real life, which is why they parrot ideological nonsense and lie about what others say.
 
I'm not whining about government not training anyone, but rather that government is actively dissuading students from following a career in the trades.


This is untrue. Wages in a locality are similar because that is what the market there will bear for a particular job or skills set. Employers rarely, if ever, collude to set wages and you have no proof they do. Companies also have no problem "poach(ing)" each other's employees when they are in the same field of business. That's why some employers make their employees sign non-compete agreements.

Contradicting yourself as usual. Don't know what you're babbling as usual.

This is full of shit and shows you've never worked in the field of automation and electronics. Automation may create fewer jobs but the ones that it does create pay far more than previous manual labor jobs. You have to have a very high level of skill and extensive training to program, operate, and maintain computer-controlled machinery and equipment.

Spent my whole life in tech, dumbass. You don't know shit, but keep insisting you do. What happened? You went from a old fashioned mop to an electric floor buffer and feel all high tech n stuff?

Even in the industrial era, a large percentage of the population was unable to grasp and do more advanced jobs on extant machinery. The low end of the Bell curve will always have a difficult time getting good wages. Stupid hurts.

More stupid nonsense. And of course you can't refute anything, just post rambling anecdotal rubbish, like all right wing ideologues, no different than your left wing skoolmates.
 
D you know that a lot of your heroes companies paid their employees in company scrip after suckering them over here to work?

Like the rest of your babbling, you are just peddling rubbish. You're a triggered hack, as usual.
Did you know that people don't tend to work for a company unless they are paid?
 
Yes, you couldn't refute anything, obviously, so now you join your Party shills here to babble idiot insults.
Evasion. Answer the question put to you.
Who knows, maybe some billionaire will see your moronic posts and let you blow him on his private jet for being such an airhead. There is nothing 'alternative' about real history, no matter what the hacks at freerepublic keep feeding you. You're as dumb as your left wing skoolmates.
You are not discussing any history, Edwina.
 
lol more idiot strawmen.
Fallacy fallacy. No strawman was used.
Obviously you can't refute real history,
I'm not trying to.
like most ideologues.
You are describing yourself.
Simpletons hate real life,
You hate your life? Why don't you do something about it? Get trained in a skill and make yourself useful to someone.
which is why they parrot ideological nonsense and lie about what others say.
You are describing yourself.
 
Contradicting yourself as usual. Don't know what you're babbling as usual.
He's not contradicting himself at all.
Spent my whole life in tech, dumbass.
I don't believe you.
You don't know shit, but keep insisting you do. What happened? You went from a old fashioned mop to an electric floor buffer and feel all high tech n stuff?
Did you know mops still exist and they are still used? I still know how to tie a variety of mops myself.
More stupid nonsense. And of course you can't refute anything, just post rambling anecdotal rubbish, like all right wing ideologues, no different than your left wing skoolmates.
You are obviously on the low end of the Bell Curve he was describing.

You are an untrained, unskilled, whiner.
 
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