Civil War

[Into the Night]

Yeah there's a likelihood of our nation fracturing along ideological lines. At least back in the first Civil War there was a geographic differentiation. Today it would require drawing borders between chairs in the living room.

The United States has never suffered a civil war.
The so-called Civil War was a war between two nations. It was not a civil war.

 

[Into the Night]

The last 4 years prove half of Americans support and defend genocide.

What 'genocide'???

Same is true about 1860 slavery.

Slavery isn't genocide.
Democrats do support slavery however. They aren't half the population of America.

The US empire loves war and will do anything to provoke one even here in the states.

The United States is not an empire.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't disagree, but here's a take I haven't heard yet, and probably won't. I'll admit it's a little bit of a stretch but could be very accurate in this humble guys opinion.

A civil war could be avoided by 'ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL'....'What' 'You're crazy' (i can hear some saying)

One big, beautiful bill would be the key to economic success that swings the midterm elections. Despite the historical trend of the White House party losing seats, if this bill quickly yields positive results, we would not only avoid losses but would likely gain seats in both the House and Senate. Should this occur, by the next presidential election, whether it's Vance, Don Jr., or any competent Republican, they could secure another landslide victory. Who knows, by then, the Democrats might have completely imploded, creating an opening for a new party to inch it's way forward slowly. (not crucial for the validity of all the rest) With these developments, America would be on a fast track to a golden age, continuing the trend until complacency sets in, paving the way for the newly formed or existing, libtard party to claim their first win and start the slide all over again.

Admittedly many if's but hey "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas"

"So the moral of my story is, if you want to avoid a civil war, tell everyone you know to call those Republican Senators and demand ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL. They're seem hell-bent on not letting that happen. I think it's because they don't feel the Senate's at risk, and two bills mean more time and more backroom deals that always seem to 'benefit' politicians, R or D. The closer the split between parties, the more 'motivated' the 'buyers' are, meaning the 'benefit' gets bigger. It might sound cynical, but let's be real, politicians are generally slimy, especially those who've stuck around through both parties' reigns and know how the game's played to 'benefit' themselves. That's why you'll see these bastards all drinking, smoking, and eating together at the popular Capitol hangouts. It's not because they're above the fray, rather, they're hanging out making plans and laughing at how they are so cleverly pulling one over. Anyone else think this?

Okay...what is IN this 'Big Beautiful Bill'??

 

[Tobytone]

Okay...what is IN this 'Big Beautiful Bill'??

Everything Trump and crew want, he's put together a brilliant economical team, and of course, he's no slouch either. (warning: libtard head's may be exploding) as well as, just about any and all non-economical ideas discussed during his campaign or on Agenda 47. I'd really like to see the 'American Academy' in the very first big bill. It would be a serious game changer. I was about to summarize, but anyone would be much better off going to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47 and watch for yourselves. Then do your best to consider all of the different people in different walks of life it would help immensely. The relative cost is a spec of dust compared to the undeniable benefits. I would like to see the press pick it up and spread the word. An added benefit, when the libtards criticize the idea, it will help speed up their demise by another powerful demonstration of their gift for hypocrisy. Moving on, any and all items items you'll find on that website would be a good start.

 

[IBDaMann]

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Your deaf-studies also failed to teach you how to contribute to anything in a value-added way, even to discussions.

 

[IBDaMann]

A civil war could be avoided by 'ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL'....'What' 'You're crazy' (i can hear some saying) One big, beautiful bill would be the key to economic success that swings the midterm elections.

Okay...what is IN this 'Big Beautiful Bill'??

Everything Trump and crew want, he's put together a brilliant economical team, and of course, he's no slouch either. (warning: libtard head's may be exploding) as well as, just about any and all non-economical ideas discussed during his campaign or on Agenda 47. I'd really like to see the 'American Academy' in the very first big bill.

Here's the problem with this: Congress is not Trump or his administration. Congress is ready to pass most of what Trump wants, but there are several contentious issues that Congress is poised to set off to the side for the moment to debate further.

Would you hold up everything, including all the major items like securing the border, eliminating WOKE, restoring the economy, etc. and risk perhaps everything falling apart should bad things happen during the midterms, just for the sake of keeping EVERYTHING bundled together?

How about break everything apart, have a billion beautiful bills, and pass everything except the three or four that would otherwise hold up everything else?

 

[Tobytone]

Here's the problem with this: Congress is not Trump or his administration. Congress is ready to pass most of what Trump wants, but there are several contentious issues that Congress is poised to set off to the side for the moment to debate further.

Would you hold up everything, including all the major items like securing the border, eliminating WOKE, restoring the economy, etc. and risk perhaps everything falling apart should bad things happen during the midterms, just for the sake of keeping EVERYTHING bundled together?

How about break everything apart, have a billion beautiful bills, and pass everything except the three or four that would otherwise hold up everything else?

I know exactly how Congress works, so did we really need that comment? Whatever. I do think it's crucial for Trump and his team to hit the campaign trail ASAP and do what they do best - rally public support for the ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL. For the reasons I've already stated, plus all the other delays and obstacles that might prevent a second bill from happening at least a year before the midterms (for some of the effects to take hold by voting day) , which, as far as I'm concerned, is the make-or-break timeline. I fear that half-measures wouldn't cut it to ensure we keep control of both houses. Quite frankly I haven't heard a single decent argument from any of the Republican senators why they are not for one big Bill considering they all owe there majority and maybe some of them their asses to Trump. He and the American people need this OBBB for the golden age of America to start ASAP. This is just my opinion, based on my experience as a political junkie back when I wore a younger man's clothes, watching how both parties operate, especially those who stick around like a bad cold. That said, contrary to what all the Libtards believe I've been wrong before.

 

[IBDaMann]

I know exactly how Congress works, so did we really need that comment?

We really needed that comment because apparently you don't understand how Congress works.

Whatever. I do think it's crucial for Trump and his team to hit the campaign trail ASAP and do what they do best - rally public support for the ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.

... and we come full circle to the disastrously fatal flaw in your assertion stemming from your unfamiliarity with how Congress works. So why don't you just answer my fucking simple, easy, straightforward question instead of being a fucking intellectual coward who is so scared shitless of everyone finding out that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about that he flees to the hills at the first easy question that comes his way.

I'll be direct. Your assertion is stupid. It's based on the belief that the President is somehow also Congress and can just simply pass the legislation he wants via fiat. That is not how Congress works and you shouldn't need me to teach you this.

I'll give you a do-over. Could you try to just answer the question?

For the reasons I've already stated,

The misconceptions that you have already stated are exactly the reasons you should reconsider what you are blabbering.

plus all the other delays and obstacles that might prevent a second bill from happening at least a year before the midterms

EXACTLY! Break them into separate bills and pass almost all of them today rather than delay them all by bundling EVERYTHING into one bill that will be stalled.

THINK ABOUT IT.

 

[IBDaMann]

The United States has never suffered a civil war. The so-called Civil War was a war between two nations. It was not a civil war.

You are spot on, and this is a crucial point to remember. The Confederacy had seceded. Period. The Union then attacked a sovereign Confederacy in a war of northern aggression. It could not have been a civil war.

 

[Tobytone]

We really needed that comment because apparently you don't understand how Congress works.


... and we come full circle to the disastrously fatal flaw in your assertion stemming from your unfamiliarity with how Congress works. So why don't you just answer my fucking simple, easy, straightforward question instead of being a fucking intellectual coward who is so scared shitless of everyone finding out that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about that he flees to the hills at the first easy question that comes his way.

I'll be direct. Your assertion is stupid. It's based on the belief that the President is somehow also Congress and can just simply pass the legislation he wants via fiat. That is not how Congress works and you shouldn't need me to teach you this.

I'll give you a do-over. Could you try to just answer the question?


The misconceptions that you have already stated are exactly the reasons you should reconsider what you are blabbering.


EXACTLY! Break them into separate bills and pass almost all of them today rather than delay them all by bundling EVERYTHING into one bill that will be stalled.

THINK ABOUT IT.

Dude, I read the first fucking part of your comment and I'm already done. Wow you are a complete fucking moron. I know how a bill gets passed, you dimwit. I'm suggesting they go out and promote it, not to give you a civics lesson, you fucking doorknob. Johnson has already indicated he can get the votes for it. The only fucking obstacle is the Senate, you absolute fucking imbecile. Just in case you're as dumb as you seem, here's how it works, since you're clearly fucking clueless: when the House passes a bill, and then the Senate passes it, the President signs it, it might go back to the house for some amendments and changes but then it goes right back to the Senate or vice versa.and with the presidents signature it becomes law. At this point, I highly fucking doubt you had any clue how that's done, so go crawl back to your Jew-hating thread because apparently, you've got some pent-up anger and frustration from being a racist, Jew-hating piece of shit that you need to vent. I don't give one sweet fuck about whether you think this opinion is good or not; I don't put much stock in a racist, Jew-hating motherfucker like you. I have yet to hear any fucking idea from you other than pissing in moaning about other people's and you always get that wrong. So why don't you try coming up with something other than you're a jew lover, you're a piece of shit, and come up with an actual thought of you're very own and then shove it up your ass. So, find somewhere else to get your dose of hate, you fucking moron. ROFL I bet you're the guy they had to pull out of the confirmation hearing the other day because you were ranting and raving like a fucking lunatic.

 

[Tobytone]

You are spot on, and this is a crucial point to remember. The Confederacy had seceded. Period. The Union then attacked a sovereign Confederacy in a war of northern aggression. It could not have been a civil war.

I'm so impressed you learned how to piggyback off from a smart person's ideas. Congratulations that was the closest I've seen you pretending to have an original idea, but wait it wasn't.

 

[Tobytone]

Here's the problem with this: Congress is not Trump or his administration. Congress is ready to pass most of what Trump wants, but there are several contentious issues that Congress is poised to set off to the side for the moment to debate further.

Would you hold up everything, including all the major items like securing the border, eliminating WOKE, restoring the economy, etc. and risk perhaps everything falling apart should bad things happen during the midterms, just for the sake of keeping EVERYTHING bundled together?

How about break everything apart, have a billion beautiful bills, and pass everything except the three or four that would otherwise hold up everything else?

Oh, I was just looking to see if you had your own ideas here. But no, again it looks like you're just complaining about someone else's without offering an alternative and suggesting they don't know what they're talking about. It's hilariously funny you think the complicated process of moving a bill through Congress is something so elusive to most people. I'm guessing it took a lot of hour of difficult studying for you.

 

[AProudLefty]

Your deaf-studies also failed to teach you how to contribute to anything in a value-added way, even to discussions.

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[WinterBorn]

There will not be a civil war. There will be whining, bitching and gnashing of teeth. There will be threats of violence.

But, in the end, no one will be willing to die for their side.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I don't disagree, but here's a take I haven't heard yet, and probably won't. I'll admit it's a little bit of a stretch but could be very accurate in this humble guys opinion.

A civil war could be avoided by 'ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL'....'What' 'You're crazy' (i can hear some saying)

One big, beautiful bill would be the key to economic success that swings the midterm elections. Despite the historical trend of the White House party losing seats, if this bill quickly yields positive results, we would not only avoid losses but would likely gain seats in both the House and Senate. Should this occur, by the next presidential election, whether it's Vance, Don Jr., or any competent Republican, they could secure another landslide victory. Who knows, by then, the Democrats might have completely imploded, creating an opening for a new party to inch it's way forward slowly. (not crucial for the validity of all the rest) With these developments, America would be on a fast track to a golden age, continuing the trend until complacency sets in, paving the way for the newly formed or existing, libtard party to claim their first win and start the slide all over again.

Admittedly many if's but hey "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas"

"So the moral of my story is, if you want to avoid a civil war, tell everyone you know to call those Republican Senators and demand ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL. They're seem hell-bent on not letting that happen. I think it's because they don't feel the Senate's at risk, and two bills mean more time and more backroom deals that always seem to 'benefit' politicians, R or D. The closer the split between parties, the more 'motivated' the 'buyers' are, meaning the 'benefit' gets bigger. It might sound cynical, but let's be real, politicians are generally slimy, especially those who've stuck around through both parties' reigns and know how the game's played to 'benefit' themselves. That's why you'll see these bastards all drinking, smoking, and eating together at the popular Capitol hangouts. It's not because they're above the fray, rather, they're hanging out making plans and laughing at how they are so cleverly pulling one over. Anyone else think this?

one big bill is how the pork gets done.

fuck your retarded idea.

this is a bad idea.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

The United States is not an empire. There is no emperor or dictator of any kind.
You don't get to speak for the whole world. You are not God. Omniscience fallacy.

I really don't care if the UK hates the United States. They tried two wars against us and they LOST THEM BOTH! The United States had to go save their asses during WW2. We successfully did. Any gratitude for it? Nahhhh.

Now the UK government is full-on tyranny against citizens of their own nation.

Do I care of the UK hates us? Nahhhh.

It's no better with the EU. If Germany wants to pay for the economic basket cases of Italy, Spain, and Greece, let 'em. I imagine they're getting pretty tired of it! I expect the EU will break up of it's own accord. Let 'em.

Iran? Syria? Hamas? They've always hated the United States. Meh. Cut their funding and all they'll have left to war with is throwing rocks.
Russia? Are you telling me you want to be friends with Putin?

When it comes right down to it, all any nation really cares about is itself.

what are all those trillions in military funding being spent on?

if we're not getting an empire I want my money back.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

There will not be a civil war. There will be whining, bitching and gnashing of teeth. There will be threats of violence.

But, in the end, no one will be willing to die for their side.

this is most likely true, however, it would only take a small group of people to change that

 

[Tobytone]

one big bill is how the pork gets done.

fuck your retarded idea.

this is a bad idea.

Better than yours. lol
Your Concerns are Noted

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I don't disagree, but here's a take I haven't heard yet, and probably won't. I'll admit it's a little bit of a stretch but could be very accurate in this humble guys opinion.

A civil war could be avoided by 'ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL'....'What' 'You're crazy' (i can hear some saying)

One big, beautiful bill would be the key to economic success that swings the midterm elections. Despite the historical trend of the White House party losing seats, if this bill quickly yields positive results, we would not only avoid losses but would likely gain seats in both the House and Senate. Should this occur, by the next presidential election, whether it's Vance, Don Jr., or any competent Republican, they could secure another landslide victory. Who knows, by then, the Democrats might have completely imploded, creating an opening for a new party to inch it's way forward slowly. (not crucial for the validity of all the rest) With these developments, America would be on a fast track to a golden age, continuing the trend until complacency sets in, paving the way for the newly formed or existing, libtard party to claim their first win and start the slide all over again.

Admittedly many if's but hey "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas"

"So the moral of my story is, if you want to avoid a civil war, tell everyone you know to call those Republican Senators and demand ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL. They're seem hell-bent on not letting that happen. I think it's because they don't feel the Senate's at risk, and two bills mean more time and more backroom deals that always seem to 'benefit' politicians, R or D. The closer the split between parties, the more 'motivated' the 'buyers' are, meaning the 'benefit' gets bigger. It might sound cynical, but let's be real, politicians are generally slimy, especially those who've stuck around through both parties' reigns and know how the game's played to 'benefit' themselves. That's why you'll see these bastards all drinking, smoking, and eating together at the popular Capitol hangouts. It's not because they're above the fray, rather, they're hanging out making plans and laughing at how they are so cleverly pulling one over. Anyone else think this?

One big beautiful bill is exactly how hundreds of billions went out in to the economy and you got $1200 from it........................

that's it. just $1200. where did the rest of that money go?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Better than yours. lol
Your Concerns are Noted

no it isn't.

it's a shit idea, fake maga neocon asswipe.