APP - Climate bill to cost families over $1700 a year

Lowaicue said:
Think about it.
What rights do you have?
The pursuit of happiness? Controlled by profit. Not Government
Enough to eat? Controlled by profit. Not Government
Shelter from the elements? Controlled by profit. Not Government
Rights enshrined in your constitution? Do I have to go on?
Rights is a massive con.
You don't even have the 'right' to eat natural food or drink natural water.
You don't have the right to the government of your choice only the right to choose between what big business allows. Not Government
You dont even have the right to a fair trial should you need it.
The rights of ordinary people are whatever profit says they are and that is no rights!
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STFU socialist. The only legitimate government is based upon natural rights.
 
T&A said:
STFU socialist. The only legitimate government is based upon natural rights.
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'fraid ah kent see whacherole drahvin' aet, boy. Control is control it ain't freedom and it ain't no rahts. Yoh jist a pone lahk the rest of uzz.
Well, ah guess ya do have the raht te be a pone, heh heh heh.
 
tinfoil said:
Yes, we do know it's pointless. But some peop;le with a lot of money and good PR behind them have used the media to convice everyone it's going to make a difference when the math itself tells a different story. You obviously do not understand the logorithmic relationship. the first 10 PPM is responsible for 90% of the greenhouse effect.

That means 10 parts per million is enough CO2 molecules to reflect infared radiation back that has been reflected off the surface.

We are at 380 parts per million. Do the math. We could increase to 1500 PPM and make almost no difference. You can't make any extra infared radiation reflect back after it's ALREADY being reflected back ANYWAY.
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Infra-red radiation is not reflected back by anything, the process is one of absorption by CO2 of the infra-red radiating from the Earth's surface in the form of heat. This article describes the process very neatly albeit it may be too scientific for some.

http://brneurosci.org/co2.html
 
tom prendergast said:
Infra-red radiation is not reflected back by anything, the process is one of absorption by CO2 of the infra-red radiating from the Earth's surface in the form of heat. This article describes the process very neatly albeit it may be too scientific for some.

http://brneurosci.org/co2.html
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Basic mechanism
See also: Radiative forcing

The Earth receives energy from the Sun mostly in the form of visible light; about 50% of the sun's energy reaches the Earth and is absorbed by the surface. Like all bodies with a temperature above absolute zero the Earth's surface radiates energy in the infrared range. Greenhouse gases absorb infrared radiation and pass the absorbed heat to other atmospheric gases through molecular collisions. The greenhouse gases also radiate in the infrared range. Radiation is emitted both upward, with part escaping to space, and downward toward Earth's surface. The surface and lower atmosphere are warmed by the part of the energy that is radiated downward, making our life on earth possible.[8]


They absorb and pass the heat on. It's the same thing essentially
 
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Lowaicue said:
Those are man made and not natural and can be taken away from you.
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Again according to the Declaration of independence they are rights issued to man from God. You are correct that they can be taken away which is why the Declaration was issued in the first place and why the Constitution requires Congress to finance a military along with confirming our right to bear arms in Amendment II.
 
Southern Man said:
Again according to the Declaration of independence they are rights issued to man from God. You are correct that they can be taken away which is why the Declaration was issued in the first place and why the Constitution requires Congress to finance a military along with confirming our right to bear arms in Amendment II.
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Natural rights are those rights that are enjoyed, or not, by all men. Your declaration of independence has absolutley nothing whatever to do with most of the world - neither has a foreign (US) constitution. The rights we all enjoy are those given us by our fellow man. That's all they are, no more, no less.
If you wish to change your point to 'American citizens rights' I would have no objection.
 
Lowaicue said:
Natural rights are those rights that are enjoyed, or not, by all men. Your declaration of independence has absolutley nothing whatever to do with most of the world - neither has a foreign (US) constitution. The rights we all enjoy are those given us by our fellow man. That's all they are, no more, no less.
If you wish to change your point to 'American citizens rights' I would have no objection.
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Good, you stay with the rest of the world. Be a good subject.
 
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